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Posted by arkadiyt 1 day ago

Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid(arkadiyt.com)
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Creamsicle47 12 hours ago||
Live free or die
sunshine-o 20 hours ago||
I love those type of posts. But there is probably gonna be an interesting discussion when he will get the car serviced at Toyota.

Maybe a simpler way is to to slap a Faraday cage on all antennas.

Brian_K_White 22 hours ago||
I did it for my 2025 4runner. https://6thgen4runner.com/threads/disable-telematics-with-au...

DCM Bypass kit. https://www.autoharnesshouse.com/store/AHH-DCM77

hughc 18 hours ago||
props for still using Skitch to annotate images in 2026
java-man 1 day ago||
Maybe two metal pins through the GPS and the cellular antenna coaxial cables would do the trick?
foobarian 1 day ago||
You would be surprised how leaky RF can be and how hard to completely suppress. There is a reason things like anechoic chambers and test labs are very expensive.
amelius 23 hours ago|||
Just hold it wrong. That should do the trick.
java-man 1 day ago|||
Leaky - possibly, but we are dealing with the real world where you have plenty of background noise. The cell tower will likely fail to receive the signal.
ssl-3 19 hours ago|||
It doesn't take much of a leak. Radiation likes to radiate.

I used to keep my work phone in a Faraday bag sometimes. (I had my reasons[1]). It usually worked. Occasionally, it didn't work and the phone would demonstrate this by doing phone-stuff like ringing even while it was snug inside of that conductive bag.

So sometimes, the radiation was radiating well-enough despite my efforts.

Not so long ago, I was chatting with someone here on HN about blocking RF at GHz frequencies using aluminum foil. I was sure that it would be trivial, and they were sure that it would be difficult. So I tested that.

I started pinging my phone on its LAN IP, and wrapped it in foil. I found that I could increase latency some and also institute some packet loss.

But I couldn't stop it altogether -- not with a sheet of aluminum foil, anyway. No matter how carefully I made the creases, pings simply kept happening. (Having satisfactorily demonstrated to myself that were right and that it would be difficult, I stopped testing at that point.)

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So here in reality, suppose the [car's] cellular connection finds that it has a connection occasionally. What's to stop it from buffering data and sending it in batches during times when it works? A few dozen lines of code that's geared to that purpose, perhaps? Or maybe a few hundred lines, instead?

Not that the difficulty matters much; the software is all closed up and inscrutable.

If the value of batching data to deal with intermittent connections is greater than the cost of producing the code to do this, then it can be assumed that such code has been or will be written.

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[1]: An abusive manager I had liked to turn on the tracking system that the phone had. I didn't mind being tracked while I was on the clock, but I placed a higher value on my privacy than on her ability to be a snoopy bitch when I was not on the clock. My Faraday bag solution was adequate for that phone, at that time, with that particular tracking system, and for my particular desires, and I had access to the system with which to validate the adequacy of this success, but it was by no means perfect.

foobarian 21 hours ago|||
That's just it - move in just the right spot where reflections combine in the right way, and it might be enough to get a ping. So the tracking would still be there just less reliable, with an unknown level of degradation. In the end you still wouldn't have any guarantees.
rasz 23 hours ago|||
In case of Subaru turning off 2G made their modems keep trying to reconnect 24/7 draining and killing battery. Subaru refused replacing batteries killed by defective car.
retired 22 hours ago||
On my classic cars I fitted a battery quick disconnect in the boot. Might need to start doing that with modern cars too.
AngryData 21 hours ago|||
Unfortunately for many modern cars that may make it run less efficiently and clean and have a rough start every time you do it for 30 minutes or more because many sensors are trained on-the-fly from a running vehicle and then the correct calibrator sensor values are then stored in volatile memory which is lost upon power loss.

I use to disconnect batteries all the time when fixing vehicles, but the last decade ive been avoiding it unless I have to because of how poorly new cars run afterwards. And people get really angry when you fix something on their vehicle and then go to drive it later and it hard starts and feels and performs worse than ever. Telling them to "just drive for 30 minutes and then restart your car again and hopefully it goes away" doesn't make people happy or confident in your fix, nor does it make diagnosing issues after replacing a suspected faulty module or sensor easier when it sounds and performs like trash for a long while afterwards.

retired 17 hours ago||
That makes sense! When I got a battery replaced recently, the shop kept my car powered with a jump-pack connected in the engine bay while replacing the battery in the boot. They said it was more convenient for customers to not lose any of their settings.
VTimofeenko 20 hours ago|||
Modern cars sometimes have telematic units running off dedicated lithium ion batteries, so killing main battery might not do anything
kevin_thibedeau 1 day ago||
You just need to cap the connectors with a terminator.
java-man 1 day ago||
It might easier to find the cable than disassemble the car to get to the terminals.
vablings 23 hours ago||
Usually, the whole antenna is behind the rear-view mirror between the glass and mirror. Often glued together
estimator7292 23 hours ago||
That's an incredibly impractical and expensive place to put it. Frankly, I don't believe you purely because it'd be $200 cheaper for the manufacturer to put the antennas in the shark fin on the roof with all the other antennas
tonymet 15 hours ago||
Any guesses at how large the addressable market is for a dumb car (or appliance)?

I would be the target customer, but I keep making convenience concessions and buying the nice car / appliance with smart stuff.

I appreciate this guide from a technical perspective, but despite a lot of the stated preferences, I’m not seeing a huge market for it.

Convenience is paramount.

sleepyguy 18 hours ago||
This is why I want a Chinese car. At least they won't do anything with my data.
j0e1 22 hours ago||
Open-source car, please.
ErroneousBosh 20 hours ago|
https://rangerovers.pub/downloads/rave.zip

Can't do the design bits, but there's full service manuals for any 1990s to early 2000s Landrover. Only NAS models, unfortunately, so for some things in UK/EU you need to interpolate a little.

Notice the complete absence of phone-home GSM modems or other tracking stuff?

_blk 21 hours ago|
cool, well done. Now we just need it for the other gazillion "smart-cars" out there
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