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Posted by TheEdonian 22 hours ago

I don't think AI will make your processes go faster(frederickvanbrabant.com)
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echelon 22 hours ago|
It makes small teams without organizational overhead go lightning fast.

It might be the ultimate tool of disruption.

michaelbuckbee 22 hours ago||
Exactly. The larger the organization the less percentage time devs actually are doing dev work and the less direct benefit there is from AI assisted coding tools.
tgv 22 hours ago||
I have a colleague who vibes the shit out of his part, and it results in large commits that take a lot of time to understand, and that makes cooperation practically impossible. LLMs are not team players.
plasticchris 21 hours ago|||
I get much different results than others when using these tools. Turns out there is some skill in wielding them, and knowing the domain in which you do.
echelon 20 hours ago|||
That's a you guys problem. Maybe one or both of you.

Have you thought about pair programming together with the AI?

My LLM outputs are intentional, in my style, and tightly reviewed by myself.

I'm also emitting Rust, which I've found to be the very best language to work with in AI. The AST and language design is focused around control flow and error handling. The borrow checker, sum types, filtering and mapping makes it such that good design is idiomatic.

There's a lot JavaScript, Python, PHP, and Java in the world. A lot of it isn't great. The architectures and styles are wildly varied too. Rust doesn't have that problem. The training data is really solid and idiomatic.

sonnyproto 15 hours ago||
To be honest, I think my process go 10x faster with AI. It's literally visible lmao.
johnwheeler 19 hours ago||
What a naïve article. People don’t write software this way anymore. A Gannt chart? We don’t use those anymore.

People have to stop promoting this narrative of the AI doesn’t make you move faster as it’s not helping anybody.

I get it. We all worked hard for our skills and it’s really difficult watching them get automated away, but it’s been this way since the printing press assembly lines and the industrial revolution itself. Things change, and you have to adapt to them and stop thinking about it from a centric point of view. The narrative people should be pushing is that you can build great things with AI.

Of course you might not have a job for a while and yes, that’s a big deal but it doesn’t mean that AI is wrong or stupid. It means you have to adapt.

ikeke 10 hours ago|
Where’s all the great products that have meant to be come about because of llm’s?

At some point the “oh the models only improved recently” won’t work anymore.

titaniumrain 21 hours ago||
cars are not faster than horses
dakolli 19 hours ago||
I just spent a few days cleaning up someone's web app they created with Claude Code. There was more than 30k lines of DEAD code, and I was able to cut the code that was actually being used down by ~30-40%. If I just wrote this app myself It would have taken a day or two.

LLMs are not helpful, they make everything worse. They make you worse, or reduce you to average at best. I really just don't see what ya'll are seeing. I have access to every model with no limits, Its not issue of "holding it correctly" I can assure you, I've tried.

Yes it can create very small programs with low complexity, but anything of any size ends up as a literal Eldritch horror or with so many subtle bugs that make life miserable. I actually hate all of you that are pushing it onto people, its such a lie.

captainmccoy 18 hours ago||
Yeah, totally agree. In my experience I've found that people think AI is making them more productive, but mostly it just seems to amplify their existing failure modes. They don't realize they are wrong, because they never had the skill in the first place.

So, for example, if someone is a poor at architecture, then they ask for AI's help to design a new feature, they won't know when to push back on the AI design, so the design will be overly complex and not solve the problem optimally.

If they are a poor debugger, and ask for the AI's help they will not know when it has incorrectly made a false assumption on the root cause or interpreting data and come to a faulty conclusion.

If they are poor at writing optimized code , and ask for ai to write some , they won't push back when the code is literally 10x the size it needs to be to solve the exact same problem.

ikeke 10 hours ago|||
The reality people don’t want to accept.
moron4hire 18 hours ago||
Same, exact experience here.

This one non-technical PM guy at work used Codex to develop a project I was expecting would fall on my plate. He asked me to do a code review on it. What it produced was riddled with SQL injection vulns and the UI was complete garbage.

Off of that example, the key stakeholders on my project are demanding I start vibe-coding everything. I raised the security flag and now they are saying, "well, now we have a prototype and real development can continue," but it's clearly just to mollify me and make me shut up, because no such development effort on that other project has been planned, scheduled, budgeted, etc. They are kind of just sitting around on it, hoping they can get everyone distracted long enough to sneak it out the way it is.

"But he did it in a week!" Yeah, it would have taken me only a week to make whatever of value actually was in that project. The reason our software projects at our company take longer than a week is not because of code, it's because we have an IT department that blocks production deployment of everything unless you literally get the president of the company to make them do it. That's not a repeatable process that every project can leverage.

There was another project another more-technical-but-not-a-developer guy (he knows how to use MS Access) did in Claude Code where, yes, Claude could read a bunch of PDFs he got from the client, get the salient details out, made an Access database out of it, and made a static HTML website out of it to make those documents easier to search and navigate. But again, the UI was complete, unadulterated garbage. And, the best part, he spent several weeks on just getting Claude to reliably process the entire set of documents. He never could quite get it to end-to-end do the entire process. It kept missing documents and reprocessing the same ones over and over again. A for-loop to iterate over a directory of files would have taken 2 minutes to code by hand and he got stuck on it for over a month.

AI will speed us up, my ass.

Look, if AI means I never have to open another PowerPoint from a client to read a "quad chart" on one particular slide to get the data I need to do my project because my client doesn't understand that PowerPoint is not a data transmission format, fine. I'll be happy with just that: AI vision as a library I can call out to from my code, just like we've been trying to do with OCR but traditional OCR sucks at the job. But there's a bigger drumbeat than that and it ends in dilettantism and laying off the junior analyst and developer staff. I will be no party to that.

dakolli 17 hours ago||
I'm not even a front end guy, and have little experience with UI/UX, but its wild how easily decision makers are impressed with UI spit out by an LLM. This era of anybody being able to make a dashboard with Claude Code has made me really appreciate the amount of sweat that designers and devs put into a good user experience.

I agree with it being great for OCR, the most impact LLMs have had for me are structured outputs I can call from a function: "extract X value from this ambiguously structured document and return json that can my code can deserialize into Y type." However, how many people are doing something similar and spinning up $500k in GPUs just to avoid writing regex.

moron4hire 16 hours ago||
They are so bad at UI. I'm not a traditionally trained UI dev, but in the past I've been the solo dev on so many projects that I had to git gud on making at least a clean, functional UI. No crazy animations and "delightful experiences," but I'm skeptical that level of design is necessary for anything outside of consumer apps designed for kids and the child-like. My default, slapped-together UIs for just getting out of the way and getting forward movement are still infinitely better than the inconsistent, buggy, overly decorated UIs the LLMs produce.
simonreiff 20 hours ago||
The bottom line is that AI is genuinely useful at prototyping new features, acting as a sounding board, and generating quick initial drafts, even if the quality isn't uniformly excellent. It seems plausible to conclude that it will only take a little additional effort to refine and improve that initial draft to achieve excellence and truly high-quality, production-grade code. In reality, whole processes to build properly with AI-generated outputs and that mitigate thoroughly against the fundamental limitations and constraints of AI agents (many of which are not well understood even by daily users) really need to be invented and implemented.

I think many things that were true prior to AI are still true or more so today, but new workflows and processes altogether are needed. I suspect that comprehensive, detailed planning and specification documentation must be assembled in advance of beginning code (akin to waterfall) when working with AI agents. Furthermore, I still believe customers and other key stakeholders need to be involved early and often so that the product can iterate towards a better ultimate end state (i.e., agile). Unlike prior to AI, it's completely plausible to implement both types of approaches, and they aren't mutually exclusive. We can do comprehensive, exhaustive, thorough planning and specification documentation prior to handing off to dedicated engineering and products teams, AND we can work quickly and iteratively via sprints that aim for frequent meetings and updates with the stakeholders that matter.

I also think the same validation gates that mattered before -- linting, SASTs, but most importantly, comprehensive automated testing that gets run locally and in CI/CD and is regularly expanded to cover all expectations about the behavior and structure of newly-implemented functionality -- continue to matter now, more than ever.

New tools and processes also must be built to make human review, the single biggest bottleneck in software development today, more simplified and streamlined, and less taxing. I think tools like CodeRabbit and Qodo can help automate and expedite the code-review and approval processes, but they would be even better if they were working off more surgical and tiny edits. Bloated, verbose AI-generated code edits are the core problem here. Process management techniques to mitigate the problem of AI code overload can prohibit the submission of AI-generated PRs, require senior engineer approval of any PRs prior to merging, or block the maximum number of lines or changes made. More sophisticated processes like Graphite's stacking of PRs are genuinely helpful in breaking down massive PRs into smaller chunks.

Finally, precision-editing tools for AI coding assistants like HIC Mouse (full disclosure, my project) that move beyond the existing options available to AI agents of whole-file replacement or exact string-replacement to enable agents at the editing-tool layer to perform surgical, tiny changes that don't touch any unrelated content, giving agents specialized visibility, recovery, and next-step guidance mechanisms that safeguard AI workflows, can materially reduce AI code slop by alleviating burdens upstream of code reviewers, both automated and human.

The bottom line: Shipping secure, production-grade code was never easy and always took a long time. It's not necessarily easier now just because certain aspects to the overall process can be generated much more rapidly. Arguably, the hardest parts like human review and approval are much harder now -- not easier. Solutions will take hard work and must be tested in the crucible of real-world enterprise usage. I am guessing that companies that deploy successful processes will be wildly profitable. Those that don't, including well-established incumbents, will fail. I do think AI absolutely can give organizations a game-changing boost in development velocity of genuinely high-quality code that might even be better than anything ever created previously. I also fully agree with the author that for many organizations, AI will not make their processes go faster and may even slow things down.

Lapsa 20 hours ago||
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