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Posted by apwheele 3 days ago

Was my $48K GPU server worth it?(rosmine.ai)
92 points | 78 comments
freediddy 1 hour ago|
In the last year, I have bought an M3 Ultra Mac Studio with 512 GB, a Macbook Pro M5 MAX with 128 GB and an RTX 6000 Pro. I have spent around $25k so far, not including electricity. I figured worst case scenario I can sell them in the next year and only take a haircut as opposed to losing my entire investment.

In comparison to just spending for tokens, the tokens would have been much cheaper and much much faster. I've been running against Gemma4:31b, Qwen3.5 and 3.6, and getting local LLMs to solve AMC 8/10 math questions and it's about 10-100x slower than just doing it online. When I tried it with ChatGPT late last year, it took about one night and $25 to solve about 1000 questions. Using my RTX 6000 and M3 Ultra and Gemma4:31b on both, it answered about 40 questions in 7 hours and I haven't checked how good the answer is yet. At 800 watts (600 for RTX and 200 for M3 Ultra) and running for 7 hours, it solved around 40 questions.

At the very least I'm going to try to sell my M3 Ultra if I can find a reliable place to sell it without getting ripped off by scammers.

jon-wood 1 hour ago||
I’m not usually one to ask this because learning to do a thing can be fun, but why exactly have you spent 25 thousand dollars on getting an LLM someone else made to answer maths exam questions?
nickthegreek 1 hour ago|||
The cost is obviously not that big of factor for OP as it might be for others. It's actually refreshing to hear the candid viewpoint that he expresses here.
freediddy 34 minutes ago||
25k is definitely a lot but I did the risk analysis and I figured worst case I would lose a 1000-2000 after a year of playing around with it, so I look at it more like renting (I'm going to keep the Macbook Pro no matter what since I needed a new one).
cronin101 26 minutes ago||
Nitpicking, but the worst case of spending $25k is unforeseen circumstances that write off the entire asset. I don’t think -$2000 is a conservative enough figure for standard depreciation either (a lot can happen in a year)
hnuser123456 1 hour ago||||
Privacy and offline operation are valuable or non-negotiable in some cases, but the difference is pretty categorical between what can run on a single card and what can run on a DGX GB200 NVL72 cabinet. Doesn't mean it's not worth seeing how far local models can be pushed. Not every problem needs a senior engineer.
freediddy 1 hour ago||||
It's just a project I'm working on. I'm working on projects where AIs are processing and classifying large amounts of data that would be a lot of work for humans to do.
wutwutwat 36 minutes ago||
I think of LLMs as being well equipped for handling dynamic data or adapting to unforeseen circumstances well (random code requests, website's ever changing layouts, typos, non-standard formatting in docs, groking out important info, etc), but math problems are be definition a very specific set of instructions to run, so is the overhead and "thinking" aspect of a LLM/AI even needed here? I'm genuinely curious, btw, I'm not asking sarcastically. Can't these math problems just be yanked from some test file and rapid fired directly at a gpu/compute unit?
freediddy 22 minutes ago||
> Can't these math problems just be yanked from some test file and rapid fired directly at a gpu/compute unit?

Yes this is exactly what I'm doing. I isolated the actual math question, and then sent it to my two servers to process and that's what's taking 10m+ to return. I'm asking them to solve the question and return the full answer along with their steps. I care about correctness so taking time is okay but I can't use 10m per solution.

Retric 1 hour ago|||
That hardware is costing him ~1$/hour over 3 years. Presumably having it answer math questions was a tiny fraction of what he was using it for.
LarsDu88 14 minutes ago|||
Well if it makes you feel better those frontier LLMs are all technically taking a big loss, and they may all be in your shoes after a few years.
plasticsoprano 56 minutes ago|||
You'll probably make a profit by selling them today. I bought a M1 Max Studio with 64 GB last year off FB Marketplace for $1000 and today I'm seeing numerous 32 GB M1 Maxes for $1200-1500.
freediddy 32 minutes ago||
Yes the prices on eBay for the Mac Studio are all over the place, but I've seen sales for over $20k. I don't know if I believe it but there's enough to make me think if I can sell it for that price it would be worth it, but eBay has basically no seller protection so I'm not willing to take that chance.
arjie 1 hour ago|||
All of these have appreciated in value. How much are you looking for the Ultra?
freediddy 31 minutes ago||
I've seen a lot of sales on eBay for over $20k, but I don't know if I believe it. Plus the lack of seller protection and the prevalence of scams on eBay make me too hesitant to actually want to risk it so I don't know what to do haha
arjie 26 minutes ago||
Haha, yeah, it's about $23k or so. Should be twice the price what you bought it for if you got it last year. Tbh I don't know why. The RAM is large but the bandwidth and the compute isn't nearly enough. You can fit DeepSeek V3 on it quantized but inference is like 10 tok/s. Honestly, you'll be able to sell it locally for that in cash, and I would in your place.

I saw your heat comments about the RTX 6000 Pro as well. I bought a few of them recently and I'm running 2 of them in a 2U case in a colo. You need a lot of active airflow to keep them cool. Mine range from 23 C to 80 C.

bethekind 1 hour ago|||
Which of these has been the most productive for you? Sounds like you've enjoyed the RTX6000 the most?
freediddy 46 minutes ago||
RTX 6000 is some-what obviously my fastest card but my biggest problem with the RT 6000 is the immense heat. The GPU itself is almost 200F and the exhaust from the fans itself is over 150F. I'm worried that my hard drives are going to fail. I was told that the GDDR7 is even hotter than the GPU which is surprising to me.

After my last run, I'm going to wait for the new case I ordered to come in and cannibalize my kid's PC that we built beginning of this year to form an entirely separate computer. And then figure out better ways to deal with the heat, especially with summer coming up. I'll have to play around with undervolting and running vents directly outside my house to see if that helps.

ericd 13 minutes ago|||
I take it this wasn't the half-wattage Max Q version with blower fan?
vladgur 36 minutes ago|||
From my failed and expensive affair with GPU mining 5 years ago, You can get a great heat dissipation outcome by using an open case with a lot of directed fans at the expense of a bit of dust and lots of noise
iooi 44 minutes ago|||
I'll buy your macbook if you're trying to get rid of it!
freediddy 1 minute ago||
I'm keeping that one for sure, I love it!
jmyeet 51 minutes ago|||
I looked into the M3 Ultra 512GB Mac Studio before it was discontinued and the as best as I could determine it just wasn't worth it... yet. The GFLOPS and memory bandwidth just arne't there even though it can hold a much larger model in memory.

But the trend here is interesting. I think by 2030 you'll be able to buy fairly cheap hardware that is currently $10k+. I don't know what this does to the trillions invested in AI data centers because the next NVidia architecture after Blackwell will essentially half the value of purchased cards overnight.

I'm not convinced Apple has yet pivoted the Mac Studio line towards this market and the expected M5 Ultras in Q3 2026 will likely be an incremental improvement rather than big leap forward but I'd like to be proven wrong.

freediddy 27 minutes ago||
I agree that all these datacenter companies like Coreweave are investing billions in technology that has a very fast depreciation curve and I don't know how they will sustain income. The same goes for datacenters in space, what happens when those chips are obsolete? Will they sent astronauts to replace them or will they let them burn up and send new ones into orbit every year?

I feel that the open weight models pale in comparison to the frontier models, and I believe that if the gap closes quickly, that the open weight vendors will stop releasing it for free.

CamperBob2 1 hour ago|||
How do you use the RTX 6000 with the Macs? Exo? I would think that would be pretty snappy if configured properly.
freediddy 1 hour ago||
This is on a separate Windows PC, I don't have it integrated with the Macs.
wslh 30 minutes ago||
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timw4mail 26 seconds ago||
And here I felt like I was wasting money on an Intel B70 to run LLMs locally.
datadrivenangel 1 hour ago||
I did the math at least on a Macbook pro, and for inference it's definitely not worth it.

- https://www.williamangel.net/blog/2026/05/17/offline-llm-ene... - Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48168198

joefourier 59 minutes ago||
Why didn't you take into account batching, input tokens, different costs of electricity, and the fact that a laptop can still hold a decent % of its resale value, and is useful for many other tasks than running an LLM?
bigyabai 57 minutes ago||
> Why didn't you take into account [...] the fact that a laptop can still hold a decent % of its resale value, and is useful for many other tasks than running an LLM?

Because that wasn't what they claimed to research?

  >> for inference it's definitely not worth it.
It's entirely fine if you enjoy local LLMs on your computer, there are people doing horribly inefficient inference on smartphones now. But for pure inference tasks, it's pretty obvious why M5s and Mac Studios aren't replacing TPUs and GPUs.
joefourier 41 minutes ago||
Who is going to buy a $4299 M5 Max MBP with 64GB of RAM just to run Gemma 4 31b? Firstly you don't need 64GB for that model. Secondly if you want a machine that sits in the corner and does nothing but LLM inference, you don't buy a MacBook Pro, you buy some GPUs which are going to cost you a fraction of that (~$1k for ~64GB of VRAM is possible). The people buying Apple Silicon for inference general aim for the Mac Studios with enormous amounts of RAM (128-512GB), to run very large models.

The idea is obviously to be running the LLM on your work laptop. As a developer I'd need a laptop with 24GB of RAM for work anyway, and 48GB, which is enough for a very good quant of Gemini, is just $400 extra.

jmyeet 1 hour ago||
It's comparing laptops to dedicated GPUs in a server environment. The best comparison would be the Mac Studio but the current release is almost 2 years old at this point. We'll see what a likely M5 Ultra Mac Studio looks like, probably in Q3 this year.

But yes, for pure inference, the M5 Max Macbook Pros probably aren't there yet. They have other utility though of course. And you can get 64GB and 128GB MBPs at a discount. Micro Center currently will let you buy a 64GB M5 Max MBP for under $4k currently, for example.

dekhn 53 minutes ago||
I can't imagine spending $48K on a home GPU server, but I did just splurge and buy a PC with an RTX 5090, specifically to hold the largest models you can fit in 32GB. It's a top of the line PC with water cooled high end CPUs, 64GB RAM, RTX 5090 for $5K. To me the jury is still out whether this was a worthwhile investment, but I do expect to use this machine for a decade. I don't run it at 100% power (it's mostly idle, except for times when I'm training or doing batch inference). It has the nice property of being blackwell generation, similar to the machines we use at work.

It just scares me to own a box that is $48K in my house, especially if it breaks, or gets stolen.

throwatdem12311 52 minutes ago|
Not even a single mention of gaming.

No wonder gamers hate AI bros.

th0rine 27 minutes ago|||
Having built an almost identical rig earlier this year can promise at least one similarly-spec'd machine gets equal use between AI and gaming (Both on Linux). Stupid-excited for the Steam Frame to finally come out.
dekhn 41 minutes ago||||
I have a second computer with an RTX 4090 for gaming (running Windows). I also used the new RTX 5090 running Linux to evaluate whether Proton/Wine allow me to run Windows games on linux (yes, it works, but the compatibility and frame rate issues make me stick to native Windows for now).
janalsncm 36 minutes ago||
(For reference I’m talking about the DFT post from the same blog.) I love that ML is still in the “gentleman researcher” stage where relatively small amounts of startup capital can buy a ticket into frontier research.

For a lot of research questions 6 GPUs is even overkill.

It’s one of the reasons I’m skeptical of the “trillion dollar supercluster” idea [0]. I think what we need is more reasonably smart people investigating medium-sized problems. A “GPU middle class” you might say.

[0] https://situational-awareness.ai/racing-to-the-trillion-doll...

gwbas1c 27 minutes ago||
FYI: If you're in a similar situation, think very carefully before you build your own. The $17000 might sound like a lot; but when you take into account your time and risk tolerance, renting might be a much better solution.
forsalebypwner 18 minutes ago|
I think their retrospective at the end of the article is grounded and logical:

"If I were to do this again, I wouldn’t do a custom build like this. I would buy a standard datacenter server and rent space in a colocation center"

I'm sure there are use cases when renting makes sense, but it can get crazy expensive really fast if you're not careful.

Aurornis 1 hour ago||
This is a difficult calculation to make because you wouldn't rent time on the exact same system in the cloud. Depending on what you're running, a bigger server with better inter-GPU interconnects in the cloud might complete the task so much faster that the additional per-hour expense is more than covered.
peheje 40 minutes ago|
Agreed. And the gained time either goes toward 1) more experiments, or 2) leisure, which makes you sharper in the lab and happier overall. Not sure the "I saved $17,000 so far" framing is the most useful way to look at it, but it's a cool project and I love that people are doing this kind of thing.
hasteg 1 hour ago||
Just curious OP (if you're the one posting) -- what do you mean by independent researcher? What are you researching and are you making $$ from it or are you living off previous built up savings? Seems like an interesting path. What research have you looked into so far?
daemonologist 1 hour ago||
They have a subsequent post (from Monday) about what they've been working on: https://rosmine.ai/2026/05/18/fixing-llm-writing-with-distri...

(I would assume they haven't made a lot of $ off of this, if nothing else because they've only just put out that post and demo. They do seem to have produced a model that doesn't sound very LLM-y to my ear, though it also seems rather weak for its size.)

bityard 57 minutes ago||
Shallow take: They made an LLM that uses fewer emdashes.

Cynical take: They made an LLM that can bypass existing AI slop detectors.

Realistic take: They found a research problem they found interesting, dumped a bunch of capital and sweat equity into and (claimed to have, at least) found a solution. Neat!

ryandrake 18 minutes ago|||
Or they just have money and a hobby. Someone else might blow $48K to get an old Cessna and go have fun flying around. Not everything needs to have a purpose.
forsalebypwner 13 minutes ago|||
You were on the money with the Cynical take lol:

https://rosmine.ai/2026/05/18/fixing-llm-writing-with-distri...

exceptione 1 hour ago|||
I am not the author, but he has been training/tuning? a model that produces text that mimics the source material in a more natural way. So getting the LLMs to produce less bland and boring LLMisms, according to the following up blog post.
hsuduebc2 1 hour ago||
citing from the article:

"I spent a long time trying high risk/high reward experiments and failing. But now I have something good. I’ve solved a major problem with LLMs. And I’m launching next Monday so we will soon see if it’s actually a breakthrough or just LLM psychosis "

Maybe ai companies today have some bounty program?

0xbadcafebee 1 hour ago||
So the answer is: "TBD if I can actually make money to pay this back"
janalsncm 45 minutes ago||
From the author’s POV it seems like they were going to do this research regardless, so this is asking what the most cost-effective way to do that research.

Or, for a person who did have a great way to monetize the same workload they’d probably find a lot of value in reading this post.

Quarrel 1 hour ago||
If nothing else, rosmine's DFT [1], which is what they were working on with this setup, seems like a worthwhile investigation.

While I'm skeptical that there is much of a moat, at least for the large players, it should at least hopefully set rosmine up with for the next job :)

It does seem to fix the current biggest issues with using LLMs for writing at various publishers. If you're The Economist, you have a very specific house style and you have a decent corpus of articles written in that style. At least on my reading of it, rosmine can use DFT to get a model to closely match its outputs, in terms of the language quirks that are generated, to that of the corpus it is fine tuned on. ie it will very much match the house style, particularly as it is used in writing, vs giving a system prompt to an LLM that has some Economist articles in its vast training set, and telling it to write in that style- it will do an ok job, but still exhibit LLM language quirks despite itself. Even if you feed it the specific "style guide" that they give their authors, I dare say the reality of their writing is the best place to learn, and it sounds like DFT can ground the writing of a model in a specific corpus like that.

[1]: https://rosmine.ai/2026/05/18/fixing-llm-writing-with-distri...

vidarh 1 hour ago||
Giving an LLM samples and tell it to apply the style in the sample works a lot better than just telling it to copy a style it may have seen, or a list of rules.

They do it well enough that it'd take really good output to beat.

Quarrel 51 minutes ago||
They really don't.

If your goal is to say, write science fiction, their reversion to classic LLM-isms, is really distracting and is what makes people say from a glance that it was written by an LLM. You basically can't use them at the moment in any real "natural" long-form writing. Everyone will call "slop" pretty quickly on the current frontier models.

Rosmin's DFT paper is worth a read.

jameson 1 hour ago|
The idea is similar to maintaining on-prem vs cloud

Cloud is optimized for development velocity but its nature of high margin business eventually makes on-prem more promising

It could be too late but it might be worth looking into tax saving if you have a business. Depreciation of asset is a loss and may deduct your income. (I'm NOT a tax expert)

jmyeet 1 hour ago||
Cloud servers have cheaper electricity, the scale of industrial-level cooling, no issues for you (as a user) with hardware failure (ie you just use a different server; it's not your problem) and can amortize their cost by running 24x7. I've seen H100 computer hours for as little as $2.

As the author notes, there are also electrical/wiring issues that cap how much compute gear you can run in a space not designed for it. I suspect a standard 20A 110V circuit can probably handle 2x RTX 6000 Pros. 15A probably can but that requires more research. Anything more than that and you're using multiple circuits, which has issues, or you need an upgraded circuit (eg 40A 240V) with all that entails (eg heavier duty cables, custom plug, etc).

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