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Posted by ortusdux 10 hours ago

Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets(www.npr.org)
567 points | 170 commentspage 3
calvinmorrison 8 hours ago|
where did the lear about this?
sergiotapia 8 hours ago||
There should be a ban on the instagram reels showing gambling like it's not a big deal. They are deliberately targeting teens and it's quite sickening.

If you work at one of these companies it's the same as working for a payday loan company. You are making blood money.

nozzlegear 4 hours ago||
I recently learned that a World of Warcraft AWC champion that I used to follow has been streaming slots on Twitch for hours a day, every day for the last year. I don't watch Twitch, so I was blown away that they allow that kind of thing on their platform. The cherry on top is that he runs some kind of fake gambling extension in his chat while he's streaming, where viewers bet on how much money he'll win or lose and they'll win or lose Twitch chat points alongside him.
kube-system 8 hours ago||
I've seen a lot of YouTube ads recently for illegal gambling apps
jmyeet 5 hours ago||
Remember in the late 2010s when the hack Ajit Pai, then fCC Chair, said that the FCC couldn't or shouldn't enforce Obama-era Title 8 net neutrality? Remember how states like California then said "OK, it's not a federal issue so we'll do it at the state level"? Then remember how the DoJ, at the FCC's direction, sued California [1]?

Well, which is it? Was net neutrality a state or federal issue? The answer is it's, as always, a Schrodinger's STate's rights issue. That is, it's a "state's rights" issue when it suits them, a federal issue when it suits them and it's neither when it suits them. Lack of any kind of regulation is the goal. This isn't some libertarian pipe dream. It's just naked pro-company and pro-billionaire gutting of government to boost profits.

Fast forward to prediction markets. The CFTC regulates this (arguably). Another deregulation hack is in charge. And again, states like Minnesota who already ban sports betting are being sued. "State's rights" btw. We're seeing the exact same pattern.

This on the same day that the president who sued the IRS, which was defended by the president's DoJ and the recess appointee Attorney-General settled a $10 billion lawsuit right as a federal judge tosses it because the case lacked adversity [2].

Besides the J6 slush fund, part of this settlement is that the IRS is barred from ever investigating Trump, his family or the Trump Organization for tax fraud.

The level of corruption and kleptocracy here is beyond belief and what's really frightening is that a good 35-40% of the population not only don't care but actively support something they will never benefit from and there hasn't been (and won't be) any political price paid for any of it. The president's endorsement still carries weight and just today, we've had the most expensive Congressional primary in history (~$35 million) where Trump unseated a sitting Congressmen for daring to push for releasing the Epstein files.

[1]: https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-f...

[2]: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/insight/trump-eyes-1-776b-irs...

[3]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/05/19/...

cft 8 hours ago||
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abrowne 8 hours ago||
There's plenty of legal gambling in Minnesota. To quote the Minnesota Legislative Reference Library it includes

"horse racing, a card club at Canterbury Park, Indian tribal casinos, charitable gambling, and a state lottery."

(https://www.lrl.mn.gov/guides/guides?issue=gambling)

bluGill 8 hours ago|||
There might be a couple more, but there is far less legal gambling in MN than anywhere else I've been in the US (though I have not been everywhere in the past 5 years, and I assume laws have changed enough to ignore experience older than that).

Indian tribal casinos are only legal because they are in a separate country as far as the state is concerned. (they don't bother, but each reservation has a good case to join the UN if they wanted to)

jacobgkau 6 hours ago||
> Indian tribal casinos are only legal because they are in a separate country as far as the state is concerned. (they don't bother, but each reservation has a good case to join the UN if they wanted to)

A case for it, maybe, but I think the way you've worded this is a bit of an exaggeration. As you said, they're separate as far as the state is concerned, in some respects (even that's somewhat case-by-case and debatable). Comparatively, it's much more generally recognized that federal law does apply to tribes. The US calls tribes "domestic dependent nations," which is short of independent sovereignty, and the UN would generally only admit members who are recognized as independent and sovereign. Native American tribes are "separate countries" like states are separate countries-- in principle, kind of, but in practice, not really anymore. Individual states can work with UN bodies on projects (like California recently joining the UN health network), but they can't be admitted as members.

All of that said, gambling is, of course, a very well-known thing that's allowed to happen on tribal lands.

kube-system 8 hours ago||||
Tribal casinos are a whole different situation given their legal sovereignty.
hilariously 8 hours ago||||
If you're talking Minnesota its scratch offs and bingo all the way down.
quickthrowman 8 hours ago|||
Excluding tribal casinos like Mystic and Grand Casino, MN has Canterbury, Running Aces, bingo, pull tabs, and the state lottery. Horse racing and poker rooms at Canterbury and Running Aces, IIRC no limit betting is not allowed in poker.
numbsafari 8 hours ago||
Do explain the Somalia connection you perceive. Please, go on…
_doctor_love 8 hours ago||
Here's some troll food for ya: he's reaching Hacker News level of "noticing"

/s

SilverElfin 9 hours ago||
Doesn’t this violate commerce between states, effectively?
tardedmeme 9 hours ago||
It does, but the constitution's already been shredded and it's dog-eat-dog in the political space right now, so we'll see how it goes.
thrance 8 hours ago||
SCOTUS will probably soon rule that extracting wealth from alienated gamblers is a fundamental American right, that the founding fathers had in mind when drafting the constitution.
unethical_ban 7 hours ago||
No.

They're not banning prediction markets from out-of-state, they're banning it entirely. A state cannot ban out-of-state alcohol, but it can ban alcohol outright if it wanted to.

msandford 2 hours ago||
Yeah but there's a difference there. I can buy alcohol out of state and if I bring it back in, that's on me.

Does anyone think that Minnesotans who are out of MN at the time of their bet will be allowed to bet? I don't think they'll be allowed, but they should be.

unethical_ban 28 minutes ago||
I assume most people need to put on an address or credit card info linking them to their home state. They likely wouldn't be allowed to have an account.
jongjong 5 hours ago||
They should ban the stock market as well then since the stock market is essentially just a prediction market.
HoldOnAMinute 4 hours ago||
What a waste of time and energy
tardedmeme 9 hours ago||
If a prediction market uses AI will this violate the federal ban on states impeding AI?
foobarchu 9 hours ago|
Using AI to identify the ideal neighborhoods to sell meth in doesn't mean it's legal to sell meth.
kyledrake 7 hours ago|
They're not going to get rid of them, they're just going to drive them underground, which will make them impossible to regulate, which will make using them less safe. I don't participate in prediction markets, but I would bet everything I own on this outcome.
kube-system 6 hours ago||
That's already what it is. They are an underground gambling site pretending that they're not doing things that they literally do by calling it something else. They're like a drug dealer who thinks they're slick by calling their drugs "research chemicals".
wizzwizz4 7 hours ago|||
Making using them less safe means that certain kinds of better are less likely to use them, which may be a purpose of this legislation.
tyg13 6 hours ago|||
Exactly. I see this common idea trotted out that "where there's a will, there's a way" -- if the government bans something, the ban will never be effective, because people still want that thing, and so a ban will just encourage violating the law.

But that's highly contingent on that thing being something people are willing to violate the law over, and on the convenience of that thing not being significantly impacted by prohibition. Neither of which are true for prediction betting (it's almost identical to sports betting in that regard, imo.) The only reason these markets proliferate is precisely because they are legal.

peferron 4 hours ago|||
Especially if there's also a ban on related advertising. Polymarket and others are absolutely flooding the world with ads at the moment.
tempaccountabcd 7 hours ago||
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