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Posted by kevinsimper 15 hours ago

Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier(qwen.ai)
605 points | 243 commentspage 4
nikhilpareek13 13 hours ago|
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DeathArrow 5 hours ago||
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howmayiannoyyou 13 hours ago||
I can't bring myself to use any model that trains or sends telemetry back to my country's primary competitor/adversary. I don't care how much money is saved.
Mashimo 13 hours ago||
That is understandable. Just don't do it. No need to announce it.
throawayonthe 9 hours ago|||
assuming that country is the united states, why not? seems like an honourable thing to do if anything, lol
mynameisbilly 8 hours ago|||
Yeah, I prefer my data to be used and trained by the very trustworthy and benevolent tech oligarchs in my home country.
deepfriedbits 8 hours ago|||
On some level, it's the lesser of two evils. Both do suck as options, I agree.
plagiarist 8 hours ago|||
The Shanghai government surveillance drones are mobile, whereas the Flock government surveillance cameras are stationary! USA FTW, liberty and justice for all
HDBaseT 2 hours ago||
Also on the front page

"Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit" and "The FBI Wants to Buy Nationwide Access to License Plate Readers"

Gotta love how the US is the bastion of free speech, justice and liberty!

InsideOutSanta 12 hours ago||
As somebody in Europe, uh, that doesn't leave many options.
czottmann 7 hours ago|||
Look around for EU LLM routers. There are some, but none are as big as OpenRouter. Still, Cortecs (Austria) is quite good and offers a couple of recent models through its EU-based providers. Zero data retention, GDPR compliant, etc. Really nice.

https://cortecs.ai/serverlessModels

avazhi 12 hours ago|||
This is the current European modus operandi: virtue signal and cry about tech that other countries produce, pass local laws that limit its use in their countries even though they have no viable local alternatives, brag amongst themselves about decoupling from US and Chinese tech, and then look on wistfully as the rest of the world moves on without a single fuck given.

Europe's sense of superiority and actual global importance/relevance is assbackwards.

deaux 11 hours ago||
> as the rest of the world moves on without a single fuck given.

Hilarious thing to say when half this comment section is Americans giving so much of a fuck that they consider China-adjacent hosted models unusable due to the supposed risks. If what you were saying was true then those pragmatic Americans would just use whatever is most effective.

avazhi 10 hours ago||
Americans have their own frontier models, that's the point. Europeans have quite literally nothing native, so they are forced to choose between the Americans or Chinese, and they dislike both and trust neither.

The Americans can cry about Chinese censorship and turn around and use Claude or Opus or Gemma or whatever, but the Europeans just throw a fit and then have to use one of the two anyway. And that whole crying about something while being completely helpless vis-a-vis doing anything about it is the definition of Europe so far this century. Globally irrelevant outside Germany.

dfansteel 13 hours ago|
Can anyone check its knowledge base for me? I’m honestly not able to run it and the Qwen models I can run censor information critical towards the Chinese government.

Tiananmen Square is the first place to start.

Mashimo 13 hours ago||
> I’m honestly not able to run it

What do you mean? This is not self hosted, it's closed source. And any website that targets China or is hosted in China will probably censor Tiananmen Square.

dfansteel 5 hours ago|||
My computer lacks the ram.
polski-g 11 hours ago|||
There is no reason why they couldn't license the model to Friendli/Fireworks/etc and have it hosted in the US to alleviate this concern.
SR2Z 11 hours ago|||
The reason is to create domestic demand for Chinese AI chips so they can eventually be free of NVIDIA.
slaw 9 hours ago||
Replacing NVIDIA is not a problem, replacing ASML is.
Mashimo 11 hours ago|||
I don't know about this model specifically, but other china models did not have the limitation. It was purely on the hosted end, tacked on as a self check while the text was generating. Did that change?
wren6991 8 hours ago||
Qwen models know about Tiananmen Square but they are post-trained to refuse to talk about it. The decensored versions will happily chatter away about it.

Similarly, try talking to Nemotron about Epstein and see how quickly it shuts down.