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Posted by cdrnsf 4 hours ago

Google Declaring War on the Web(tante.cc)
343 points | 240 commentspage 4
coro_1 3 hours ago|
> De-googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don’t use the Chrome browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment where your access to information is limited to what Google’s synthetic text extruders deem relevant.

Everything is probably re-traceable fairly easily because Google Analytics is on nearly every web page.

But I understand maintaining your own source of archives, videos, documents, etc.

Sounds like a good vibe coding project actually.. to try and keep it all organized offline.

WarmWash 1 hour ago||
Google made an egalitarian web, where money doesn't matter and attention does. A currency that everyone on Earth richest to poorest has a roughly equal amount of. I think almost everyone takes that for granted, and focuses purely on the negatives (you're not paying, therefore you are the product, kept in place by bait we call services)

On the flip side, and I'm all for it, we can go to everything paywalled. The downside of course will be a whole class of people who cannot afford to participate on the internet. But these service providers will be working for you, the customer.

Pick your poison.

AndrewKemendo 3 hours ago||
> The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google’s abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It’s about monopolizing access to information.

Google’s Vision since they were founded:

Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful

They told everyone what they were doing the whole time

xp84 2 hours ago|
you're right, I think we didn't realize these implied parts: "make it universally accessible [to Google] and useful [to Google's financial interests].
aucisson_masque 4 hours ago||
If it's so bad, people won't use it. If it's good, why be against it ?

You don't write post to reach the biggest amount of people, you do because you're passionate and ultimately you get people following you.

If average Joe doesn't go on your website, what's the big deal ?

I think this feature will be very useful to fight back on the optimized SEO hell that we currently have.

Forgeties79 3 hours ago||
Everyone goes through live nation/Ticketmaster. Would you say they provide a good experience?
Sharlin 4 hours ago|||
"If Nestle were so bad, people wouldn't buy their products."
konmok 3 hours ago||
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nekzn 2 hours ago||
Websites brought this on themselves. Have you tried visiting one? Popups upon popups upon ads upon cookie banners upon notification permission prompts. I’m not going to miss that. Nobody is going to miss that.

Think of AI distillation as some kind of improved Reader Mode feature.

People never wanted to visit your website; they just wanted the information that your website held. Now they can get to the meat without having to deal with the bones.

snicky 1 hour ago|
> People never wanted to visit your website; they just wanted the information that your website held.

Well, no. It is a boomer talk, but in the 90s the web was so fragmented and unpolished that websites usually looked very different from each other. People were writing their own HTML (and CSS came later). "Home pages" were some form of an art. Not the highest one to be frank, but the ecosystem was quite interesting. People did visit those websites not only to get the information, but to enjoy those quirky forms.

johnea 2 hours ago||
A nice, terse, little rant. I agree completely.

I surprised however, that it didn't describe phase 2 of the disaster, where in the models no longer have fresh www content to train on.

It's hard to understand the long term vision of this strategy...

mudil 3 hours ago||
Google declared war on blogs and other content long time ago, when it used our websites to harvest data to target readers with ads accross the entire internet. We used to have (for twenty years!) medical technology website for MDs. How can we compete with short unrelated YouTube videos or other spam content that serve Google ads targeting doctors? How do you think the entire creative blogosphere of the early 2000s collapsed into nothingness?
dude250711 4 hours ago||
Well, they are kind of desperate after missing both cloud and AI.

I would blame trash like Discord more though. Alternative search engines are available, but the crappy little web chat hides info inside.

mschuster91 3 hours ago|
> I would blame trash like Discord more though. Alternative search engines are available, but the crappy little web chat hides info inside.

Well, we had the same problem with IRC. There's value to be had in not everything being discoverable in 5 seconds with a google search.

superkuh 4 hours ago||
It is not just about replacing search results with text blurbs generated on Alphabet premise either. They're making it so that unless you have an Android certified (Or Apple) smartphone you will not be a human being, you will be assumed to be a bot and blocked by their captchas.
coldpie 3 hours ago||
Passkeys are a big part of this future, too. The spec has device attestation built in, so if passkeys gain traction, they could lock it down so only approved software is allowed to log in to services. If that happens, it means your ability to log in to services will be mediated by one of 3 US big tech companies. "For security," of course.
queenkjuul 3 hours ago||
Honestly the bigger problem for me. I use SearXNG, but DDG is acceptable, or people like Kagi.

But if ReCAPTCHA won't consider me human unless i have a certified phone, having search alternatives doesn't matter -- the websites themselves are just gonna block me

AndroTux 3 hours ago||
You may use an alternative search engine, but 90% won’t. If people accept the new way of searching, meaning, no longer visiting websites, there will no longer be any websites that could show you captchas.
xiaoluolyg 1 hour ago|
cotent is dying
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