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Posted by sandebert 7 hours ago

Flipper One – we need your help(blog.flipper.net)
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Deprogrammer9 3 hours ago|
What about LoRa (Long Range)? that would be perfect for the Flipper Zero!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoRa

Joel_Mckay 2 hours ago||
LoRa is not an open physical layer protocol standard, but rather an interesting niche chip product from a small manufacturer.

Like all unicorn chip products, setting up a link in SDR is not officially supported without violating IP rights. =3

panja 2 hours ago||
You can get LoRa concentrators in m.2 form factor, so it shouldn't be that difficult to implement with what they are announcing.
mschuster91 2 hours ago||
LoRa has different frequency bands in different parts of the world. Getting boards that work well across all bands is all but impossible - EU is 868 MHz, US/CA is 910 MHz, AUNZ is 915 MHz. Either you make different versions of the boards with filter stages tuned for the region-specific bands, or you use next to no filtering at all which means you'll end up with the RX stage getting saturated by nearby stations (especially phone networks). The third idea is to use RF switches with different filter networks attached, but that's adding a lot of complexity and BOM and you got to deal with insertion losses on not just the filters but also the switches, and filters that can deal with higher output powers than 22 dBm can get pricey.

Oh and then you got the question of the bandwidth of the filter. Ideally you want as low of a bandwidth as possible (e.g. Meshcore is 62.5 kHz, Meshtastic 250 kHz), but the SRD band in which you can legally run LoRa in Europe is 821-870 MHz... yeah good luck, you can't really do that, you need hardware for any serious usable filter that doesn't get stuffed over by nearby disruptors.

The antenna question is a different thing. That one is easier to solve as you can just ship different antennas tuned to different bands to different country SKUs, but it is nonetheless a pain to deal with.

Edit: Oh and I forgot, LoRa is proprietary IP from Semtech. There's lorarx written by some hams that can work on your average rtl-sdr... but as the name says, it's receive only, I'm not aware of anyone doing SDR transmission for Lora.

daft_pink 3 hours ago||
I hope they let you disable the 6ghz wifi easily as Wifi 6E without the band steering of wifi 7 just gives you low range 6ghz which is a waste on a device that probably doesn’t need a high speed connection.

Love my flipper zero!

d3Xt3r 6 hours ago||
Cool, but I think they're holding themselves back with that weird form-factor. I would've preferred if they'd included a full QWERTY keyboard, like the the GPD Pocket 4[1] or the GPD Win Mini. With a proper keyboard, I could write code on the go, easily edit files, navigate a terminal and mess with things... and do so much more in general.

Also, 8GB RAM is barely enough these days, whereas the GPD comes with upto 64GB RAM - and an X86 CPU too, which means you can run your favorite Linux distro and all your apps without any compatibility issues.

I really don't see a reason why I should buy the Flipper One.

https://gpdstore.net/gpd-pocket-4/

ololobus 2 hours ago||
Idk, with the One they already seem to try to claim too many things for a single device. Adding a keyboard and a bigger screen will be even bigger scope creep. As a Zero user, I really like the compact form-factor

And just personal imo, for coding on the go something like macbook air seems to be a way more comfortable option. I know that you wrote that you fit gpd in you pants, but man, you know that this use case is even more niche than flipper zero

dpoloncsak 6 hours ago|||
The product you’re suggesting is $1400, where as the zero sold for a 1/8 of that. Do we expect the Flipper One to have such a price hike as well?
Karliss 5 hours ago|||
Flipper zero was an arduino with half a dozen sensor, radio and other communication modules. Flipper one is a laptop/mobile phone class system in weird form factor no doubt its going to be more expensive. No point even comparing them. You can't call it a price hike if it's completely different category of product. There have been plenty of openish tinkerer laptop/mobile phones projects to know that paying high end laptop price for a device with compute power of last generation raspberry pi is a likely outcome.
whywhywhywhy 4 hours ago|||
>Flipper one is a laptop/mobile phone class system

This isn't true it's more like a modern Rasbperry Pi 5 level system with half single core performance and relatively similar multicore.

The exciting thing about the system isn't the chip it's the connectivity, form factor and extra hardware around it. But let's not pretend it's comparable to the power of phones and laptops which are way ahead.

Although with inflation and supply chain issues I'd be shocked if this ships under $450, but if they pull it off I think you'll get your moneys worth compared to comparable Pi setup.

dpoloncsak 4 hours ago|||
TechCrunch is reporting that they're still aiming for a ~$350 USD price point, but I cannot confirm this myself

https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/21/flipper-unveils-a-linux-po...

embedding-shape 6 hours ago||||
Not to mention you'd need REALLY large and durable pants/shorts pockets to fit a 27cm X 5cm X 20cm device that weights more than 1.5kg (yes, kilos!) compared to what the Flipper One will end up being.
d3Xt3r 5 hours ago||
I have the GPD Win Mini and it fits fine in my cargo pant pockets.
d3Xt3r 5 hours ago|||
We don't know the cost of the One yet. Besides, the GPD can also be used for playing AAA games, and the keyboard makes it far more useful as a general purpose PC.
boesboes 5 hours ago||
my macbook can do that too, and is much faster!

It's clear you want something else, go buy that instead of shitting on other projects maybe?

d3Xt3r 5 hours ago||
A MacBook can't fit in a pant pocket though. The GPD can, well, at least in cargo pant pockets.
embedding-shape 6 hours ago|||
I dunno, I loved the form factor of Flipper Zero, with the addition of a PTT and a more rugged design, this is quite literally an instant buy for me. It has sufficient connectivity that it'd be trivial to bring your own keyboard, in whatever size you'd like, and I'm surely not alone in not wanting a static keyboard attached to the device as I'd never have any use for it, the Flipper (in my view) is a portable device you use for enumerating and executing, but everything else I do on my desktop transferring data to/from the Flipper.

I'm also not sure what I'd do with more than 8GB of RAM, I could literally run my entire OS + dekstop environment + the current applications I have open on my workstation desktop right now with that, and still have room to spare.

swaits 6 hours ago|||
Here is an alternative that I think has real potential:

https://m5stack.com/cardputerzero

anonzzzies 6 hours ago||
Nice but zero blobs/everything open? As that's the main interesting part here; full, no binary blobs, open docs/code ...
moralestapia 1 hour ago||
The main interesting part for me is that the cardputer is real, but I do understand people getting excited by landing pages.
lxgr 5 hours ago|||
Today, I think so too, but I think they're onto something with the idea of a PTT-like local LLM interface. With 2-3 orders of magnitude more local inference power, I could really see this work out!

"Hey Flipper, log onto Wi-Fi SSID FooBarAir, pick the free "messaging only" plan, and set up an IP-over-WhatsApp proxy exposed over the second, encrypted SSID" :)

crimsonnoodle58 6 hours ago|||
Surely you've seen the price of 64GB of RAM lately?
mr_machine 5 hours ago|||
GPD already makes such things, as does ClockworkPi. The Flipper One is exciting in significant part because it offers a different, smaller form factor.
kylecazar 5 hours ago|||
The form factor is indeed strange. It reminds me of an N-Gage if they had a "rugged"/durable version that was made for construction sites.
Gigachad 5 hours ago|||
The thing has a 2 color display. 8gb is massively overkill. Theres not much you could do on this that would even need 2 gb.
iberator 1 hour ago|||
sdr waterfall takes a lot of memory
sesm 4 hours ago|||
They want to run local models
NeckBeardPrince 6 hours ago|||
I don’t think the Flipper market is trying to compete with devices like this.
d3Xt3r 5 hours ago|||
If you're strictly taking about the Zero, I'd agree with you, but with the One they're entering a new market. I mean, kind of people who like to mess around with Linux and do hacker-y network-y things are also generally the kind of people who would prefer to use a keyboard, the kind who would love the extra hardware grunt to speed up tools like hashcat.

And of course, the One will be cheaper than a full-fledged x86 handheld, but if you're willing to spend a bit more, you can do so so much more - it becomes a more practical device.

archargelod 6 hours ago|||
What is the flipper market, anyway? I can only think of script-kiddies pwning neighbours wi-fi router and computer nerds buying it as a toy.
aa-jv 5 hours ago||
pwnagotchi makes a pretty bad-ass portable linux system that can be used for development when its not crunching wifi ..
fsflover 6 hours ago||
Have you considered Pinephone with the keyboard?
ourcat 2 hours ago||
The 'Layers' comparison image suggests that there would be no Bluetooth in the Flipper One. I would have thought that would still be very useful in 'Layer One'?
modeless 3 hours ago||
> the current state of ARM Linux is depressing. Every vendor bolts on their own custom mess: closed boot blobs, vendor-specific patches, "board support packages" that nobody outside the chip maker can really understand

Fixing this is a noble goal but won't sell a lot of devices by itself. And it will only fix the one specific hardware configuration used by Flipper. This seems to be the only interesting part of the project and the actual hardware is otherwise completely uninteresting. Not sure how they expect to succeed here.

bdavbdav 5 hours ago||
Wow. That really doesn’t know what it is.

Love the idea of a hackable ethernet tool though.

lxgr 5 hours ago|
This was my first impression too, but it's actually quite simple: It's everything all at once.

It's an incredibly ambitious plan, but buy would I be in the market (unironically!) for an offline, LLM-powered, voice-controlled, satellite-connected, tactical pocket Linux set top box.

jdalgetty 6 hours ago||
I want it but I do not need it.
kuerbel 6 hours ago|
I will buy one, use it once and then it will gather dust. Such is life
xandrius 5 hours ago||
Same! I'd love to get one just in case but $200 for just in case is a lot.

I wish someone sent me one of theirs gathering dust for free, lol

tekacs 5 hours ago||
I've said a bunch of times that I really really wish that Pebble had gotten a chance to finish the Pebble Core:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/getpebble/pebble-2-time...

This reminds me of that in a good way – a small Linux device that doesn't have to maintain a screen all the time (power) or focus on real-time but has physical buttons, connectivity, a microphone and a sealed case so it can be thrown in your pocket would be... an absolute dream.

Counter to some others here, I would buy this at whatever cost if it lived up to that intent!

4ggr0 5 hours ago|
maybe repebble will pick it up again, sometime :) but i guess they're focused on more watches and a ring right now.
vladde 4 hours ago||
> So people end up running full desktop environments (KDE, GNOME, etc.) squeezed onto a tiny 7" touchscreen. It's miserable.

to add on to this: you can definitely make great UI's for small screens and unconventional controls -- Playdate [1] builds their UI around a physical crank on the device, and it feels fun to use it :)

[1] https://play.date/

stellamariesays 4 hours ago|
The honesty here is refreshing. "We're genuinely terrified" is not something you typically hear from a hardware company, and it makes me more inclined to trust them, not less.

The ambitious goals list is interesting because it reads like someone who's been burned by the exact problems they're trying to solve. Mainline Linux kernel support means they've dealt with downstream kernel hell. Pushing vendors to open binary blobs means they've fought with NDA-encumbered firmware. Building a custom GUI framework means they've tried to use existing ones and hit walls.

The co-processor architecture (MCU + CPU) is the smartest design decision here. It means you get real-time I/O handling on the MCU side without the latency and determinism issues you'd hit trying to do the same on a Linux userspace process. It's how serious embedded systems work, and it's why Flipper Zero was able to do things that a Raspberry Pi running Kali couldn't.

The part that concerns me is scope. Mainline kernel + open firmware blobs + custom GUI framework + hardware expansion system + co-processor architecture... that's five hard problems, any one of which could sink a company. The ask for community help makes sense but community hardware projects have a rough track record on delivery timelines. I hope they can keep the scope tight enough to actually ship.

ZiiS 5 hours ago|
Really worried about the pricing, will make or break.
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