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Posted by lexandstuff 1 day ago

Shipping a laptop to a refugee camp in Uganda(notesbylex.com)
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asdefghyk 13 hours ago|
Why not put a tracking device in it?
mchl-mumo 20 hours ago||
I wonder how much the laptop costs in a Ugandan store
mystraline 8 hours ago||
In other words, African governments are even more corrupt shitholes.

(Please note: im explicitly saying this about the governments. Not the people. The people, in most/all situations, have little to no power to remove this corruption, other than civil war.)

I really think its the mixture of the Global North, and along with the worst of the worst people is why there isnt an African Union, with African single currency.

Its also the reason im not (cant) buy African products locally. The supply chain is nearly non-existant. I couldnt buy even if I wanted to.

cindyllm 8 hours ago|
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jojobas 22 hours ago||
Looks like he could have bought a used laptop locally for the price you paid for shipping alone.

There are charities that move used electronics to developing countries in bulk somehow.

brador 15 hours ago||
What is appropriate compensation for someone handling a bar of gold?

Some could argue corruption is an attempt to equalise on that.

Aachen 10 hours ago|
Might as well ask how to equalise the cost of letting someone live instead of taking their possessions

The price should be whatever it costs you when including all cost factors¹. A competitive market is an attempt at a system (no central control) to approach that lower bound value. It's really hard to incorporate the million dependencies in a true cost price, so people are instead free to set a price and consumers are free to choose a vendor that's cheaper, and so there's competition. Markets are said to not be working well (lack of competition, usually) if the price of a good or service does not remotely approach the cost price

Bribes are usually to people in power because otherwise you'd just go with the non-corrupt option. That's not a functioning market. I wouldn't say that this type of monopoly is an attempt at determining the fair price for transporting an item of a given mass and dimensions

¹ this really includes everything: to be able to walk across the street and deliver packages, you needed to eat the night before; you needed to learn to read; you need to put money to the side for when you're of age; etc.

brador 6 hours ago||
Crime is a fundamental part of the free market. Costs for it are currently passed to the collective instead of the individual.

Corruption (tolling, rent seeking, bribery) is part of the free market.

If the sender doesn't like the risk profile of the route to market they should pay a premium and route around it at certain cost or get insurance, else pay up if it is the financially optimal path.

iririririr 19 hours ago||
While spending a year in southern african countries (Uganda included), and befriend few locals and lots of people from UN and pieces of EU bureaucracy (and EU bank GMs), I learned two interesting things:

- even the UN (which pays 1/4 of what the EU pays) cannot ship work laptops to these countries. The either vanish or have to be shipped to very central DHL offices.

- Informal remittance from family members to their communities is exactly the same amount of all the money the country gets from external sources as Aid. e.g. Angola had USD$2bi given by EU and UN. Remitances where the same 2Bi. I don't know if there are mechanisms to keep that this way, but that was the case for all the countries i could get the number that year and the year before.

motohagiography 21 hours ago||
remarkable that even without what we would think of as basic infrastructure they can still produce an impoverishing level of bureaucracy. it's like an emergent force of its own.
Pay08 22 hours ago||
What's with the downright brigading?
geekone 20 hours ago|
seems to mostly be one person with multiple accounts, but they are getting rightly buried.
eeelll404 18 hours ago|
Holy crap what a read. I now feel grateful for some of the luxuries that I have taken for granted in our lives haha.
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