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Posted by theletterf 5/25/2026

Magnifica Humanitas(www.vatican.va)
1650 points | 965 commentspage 13
block_dagger 5/25/2026|
I wonder if they used AI to write or edit any of this.
nachox999 5/26/2026|
what do you think?
hootz 5/25/2026||
How many Catholics will put the encyclical to be summarized through an LLM?
lobocinza 5/25/2026||
I did but I will read it in full later. Summarizing the encyclical was a waste of time. Summarization is good for quickly probing the topic, tone and quality of a work. Here the topic is obvious, the Vatican tone is extremely consistent and encyclicals so far were all well written and thoughtful so there was nothing new to learn.
customguy 5/25/2026|||
If you asked all the LLM to find flaws in the arguments presented, and to come up with counter-arguments, I doubt many current models would be so bad as to come up with that, and even the ones that did would fold when asked "how is that even an argument?".
hootz 5/25/2026||
This was not an attempt at an argument, it was a sarcastic joke on how a lot of people are already dependent on AI, even on things that you weren't supposed to use LLMs for, but I guess I failed at it.
customguy 5/25/2026||
Fair enough, and kinda silly of me to assume so little of you.

Is that really true though, that so many people are "dependent" on "AI"? In what way? I'd say the only people who really depend on AI are those who want to make money off it, and that's only half sarcastic.

Would the people who now run it through an LLM (and who can read the output of an LLM but not the text itself?), have read it at all before? Would it not have, if anything, filtered down to them somehow, by them reading of it, or hearing of it in church etc?

hootz 5/25/2026||
It's almost a self analysis in my case, as when I saw the size of the text my mind immediately thought about feeding it into an LLM. Like, it's a text from the pope about AI, and my automatic reaction was to think about feeding it into an AI. What happened to me? And I think that happened to a lot of other people too.
ares623 5/25/2026||
ugh, read the room
gooseyman 5/25/2026||
The em-dashes present within the writing made me pause and consider how much of this was written/exited by AI.

Quick browse through pre-AI works from John Paul II show em-dashes present.

slfnflctd 5/25/2026||
Pure speculation, but simply the presence of em-dashes may be a statement in itself.

One of the big problems I see currently is all the wild accusations being thrown around by seemingly half the internet that every little thing has been AI manipulated upon the tiniest suspicion. We will go mad tearing each other apart if we keep escalating this behavior.

Yes, some of it is blatantly obvious, but not to everyone-- so I think those casting aspersions need to really back up their claims with more than one or two bits of 'evidence'. I have been accused of using AI to write comments (which I have thus far never done), and I know I'm not the only one by a long shot. Such a waste of time and energy. Ignore it and move on if something smells off to you.

Also I am just so, so tired of the em-dash argument. Humans have been using it for a looong time. Let it go.

gooseyman 5/25/2026||
Now that's some em-dash passion!

My point was less about em-dashes and more stopping to consider how the vatican's workflow and editorial process has changed in wake of AI, and what, if any, impact that could have on the outputs.

AI is a tool, I have no problems with others using it to assist with writing as long as the original intent/argument remains.

l2dy 5/26/2026|||
The Italian version of this https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiv/it/encyclicals/docume... uses en dashes instead. Could the em- or en- dashes be a side-effect of the translation?
morningsam 5/25/2026|||
Someone did an analysis and concluded that it appear to be at least partly (~10-15%) LLM-generated, or at least LLM-translated (see comments): https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/s58hDHX2GkFDbpGKD/linch-s-sh...
estearum 5/25/2026||
People need to stop acting like AI systems can detect AI. They can't. Pangram and similar are simply lying. There's no method to do what they claim and there never will be.
lstodd 5/25/2026||
Seriously this. Let's skip pangram and em-dashes and just revert to common sense:

A church is the pattern for a brain-washing org. Catholic and derivatives just happen to dominate western hemisphere. Its operation is no different from, say, Scientology.

canjobear 5/25/2026||
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the_real_cher 5/25/2026||
Why does the onus fall on the engineer for creating a better tool and not on the people who use that tool in evil ways?

We've been having the same argument since the dawn of mankind. AI is the new AR.

sham1 5/25/2026|
I'd say that the onus falls on the engineer insofar as they need to ask the questions of "why are we making the new better tool", "according to what criteria is it better", and "do we need the better tool". And at least for me, that onus falls on the engineer instead of falling on the user because it's the engineer who is creating the tool, not the user, and if the engineer chose differently, the tool wouldn't be out there to be used for evil.

Sometimes it might just be better to not do the thing, especially if it conflicts with one's morals. And well, the idea that "if I don't do this, someone else will" seems to not work out well in practice.

the_real_cher 5/25/2026||
No one can predict the future.

Putting the blame on the engineers is a distraction from the real people at fault...the business people and the politicians.

polotics 5/25/2026||
What kind of regulation is Leo the alignment expert proposing exactly?

Occam's Razor says this is Anthropic trying to build a regulatory moat by leveraging some halo effect.

Maybe Leo should focus on finding a way to disconnect western society from their current cult-of-progress delusions? Could be a better use of the infallible man's pulpit?

colinhb 5/25/2026||
Attacking the cult of progress is a major through-line:

> 12: Today, the human desire for fullness of life is at risk of being misled by deceitful goals, such as the prospect of a technology that promises to free us from all weakness, and models of wellbeing that leave behind entire populations. All too often, we place our hope in unlimited 'upgrades,' in forms of progress that exacerbate inequalities, and in immediate solutions incapable of healing people's wounds.

> 94: The danger of humanity becoming a victim of its own achievements was already clearly recognized by Saint Paul VI, who warned that 'the most extraordinary scientific progress, the most astounding technical feats and the most amazing economic growth, unless accompanied by authentic moral and social progress, will in the long run go against man.' For this reason, technological progress — valuable in itself — requires careful discernment of the anthropological vision that guides it and the ends it pursues. If technological development advances without a corresponding ethical and social progress, the result may be an increase in means without a growth in humanity: 'having more' without 'being more.' In such a scenario, there is a risk that individuals will be evaluated principally according to the outcomes they produce.

> 112: More gravely, the pervasive technocratic paradigm in which we are immersed, and that is amplified by the digital revolution and AI, threatens to normalize an anti-human vision. In that vision, the fullness of life is equated with having more, reducing weakness, eliminating uncertainty and exerting total control. When efficiency becomes the ultimate measure of value, human beings are tempted to see themselves as a project to be optimized rather than as persons called to relationship and communion.

There's much more along these and related lines.

polotics 5/25/2026||
I think you misunderstood the message there. These pompous paragraphs are not attacks on the cult of progress, at all.

I read the extremely unexamined blank: """technological progress — valuable in itself —"""

Read again: they are extremely weak sauce, with the implicit message that all that wanting more is oh yes so morally wrong... Morally. But in Leo's wordage I find zero pragmatism, zero hard facts, zero El Niño, zero it's gonna crash... zero call to action. Just pious de-fanged sidelined position-taking.

But anyway. I found the unlock for Karma drop, went from 2666 to 2659 with this one previous comment, I kid you not! So all the good words, and then "regulation" right, standing next to Anthropic's boss, all good right?

polotics 5/26/2026||
Haha also this gem: "when efficiency becomes the ultimate measure of value"...

...as if this is what's going on right now! Whose efficiency? For what goals?

gchamonlive 5/25/2026||
Although your comment is acid, I think this bears truth

> Maybe Leo should focus on finding a way to disconnect western society from their current cult-of-progress delusions?

It's too weak of a rhetoric from the highest representative of the Catholic church to call for regulations, but the alternative is to call for a transition from capitalism itself. Nothing that grows inside economic doctrines that only value constant growth at all costs can be safely regulated, regulation being only a makeshift solution.

bad_haircut72 5/25/2026|||
Capitalism is clearning having a moment atm but as far as I know nothing about capitalism demands permanent growth. Capitalism is about private ownership of the means of production (and a complicated system of laws that allow ownership of abstract concepts, like futures contracts). Its the people who always want more - usually the ones who already have the most, and this has been the case since the first kings.
hootz 5/25/2026|||
If the way capitalism works is by responding to the excesses of a few with unbounded growth and destruction to meet that demand, isn't that also an issue with capitalism itself? Capitalism does not demand permanent growth if you only define it by private ownership of the means of production, but in reality, it seems like the supply and demand dynamics result in some extremely inefficient allocation in relation to the masses just so a few can have their riches and, apparently, their massive water-hogging datacenters for SOTA LLMs.
briandw 5/25/2026||
Water hogging? Show me the data. This is a lie that the socialist continue to peddle. It’s a very sticky idea completely resistant to facts. Data-centers use 48m gallons a day in the USA. Total water consumption is 322 billion a day. So 0.015% of water use. Golf courses use 30x that and Almonds 80x that.
hootz 5/25/2026||
Okay, those are the global stats, but what about local impacts? Water is often a local resource, not a country-wide one, so the impact of a large datacenter will often be much higher around it. For example, we have some datacenters gobbling up 10% of all the water consumption of a town (https://www.waterverge.com/news/data-centers-ai-water-consum...), with most of that coming from potable water supplies. That's considerably higher than the global stat you provided of 0.015%, and that affects the entire town.

That, and also local heat generation. Data centers heat up neighborhoods from miles away. (https://interestingengineering.com/science/data-center-phoen...)

murderfs 5/25/2026||
The total water usage of the largest concentration of datacenters in the world is only using 10% of the water consumption of the county, about half of which is non-potable reclaimed water that would otherwise be dumped into a river [1], and you think this is a bad thing?

1: https://www.loudounwater.org/commercial-customers/reclaimed-...

pocksuppet 5/25/2026||||
Capitalism is about giving power to the people with the most capital. Obviously they will use that power to give themselves more capital. If not, their power will be taken away and given to people who did, since they'll have more capital. This is an inseparable part of the system of capitalism.
dist-epoch 5/25/2026|||
> Capitalism is about private ownership of the means of production

No, Capitalism is about Capital and it's multiplication. Means of production are just a tool for Capital to multiply.

polotics 5/25/2026|||
Are you serious? Have you seen how much environmental damage the old Soviet Union has done? Do you think it's that simple: "capitalism bad"...?

Proper systemic improvements are possible, and having markets is a good way to allocate resources and efforts.

gchamonlive 5/26/2026||
You call for nuance but then jumps to the assumption that a transition from imperialist capitalism necessarily means a return to soviet communism?
popcorncowboy 5/25/2026||
"To the manifest glory of Rome, greatest of all cities, forever shall it stand" - circa the collapse of Roman empire. Or something like it.

NGL it sounds like so much bleating of the sheep standing outside the abattoir.

shmval 5/25/2026||
The message here obviously comes from a good place. But it can't escape the trap baked into its own theology. Putting humanity one rung below God, with everything else below us is a trick that allowed semitic civilizations to make empires and economies go FOOM faster than the rest of the world. But it also makes things more dangerous when we start building systems smarter than we are.

What happens when the tool outgrows the toolmaker?

shipman05 5/25/2026||
I'm (genuinely) curious as to what your idea of a less dangerous theology would be. I'm an atheist, but I find the inherent dignity of humans as beings made in the image of God to be one of the more appealing aspects of the Abrahamic faiths.

Some of the greatest horrors of the 19th and 20th centuries were committed by people who refuted that theology and replaced it with Social Darwinism and Scientific Racism.

xyzsparetimexyz 5/25/2026||
> But it also makes things more dangerous when we start building systems smarter than we are.

> What happens when the tool outgrows the toolmaker?

We've already built systems smarter than we are without much issue.Libraries and search engines for example. LLMs are just the next level of this.

michahell 5/25/2026||
Talk about making things hard to read. Also, Holy See? Whoever thought that was aptly named? The Holy StumbleUpon would be better as they always stumble things after everyone realized before them 5-100 years ago. Nonetheless good that religion also offers some of their infinite wisdom regarding AI to steer those who take any value in most of their gibberish
jkman 5/25/2026|
hyuk hyuk kyuk, man you are hilarious!!! Take my updoot good sir
plnii2 5/26/2026||
Well i don't plan to read the long and rambling text, but i will use this to promote an idea on how to start regulating AI.

Start with video. No one needs AI creating videos with humans in it. But it will eventually get so good that we won’t be able to trust any video. And people will create videos of others to destroy them, which is already happening.

I’d further suggest that it be illegal to create any fake image of a person without their consent. That consent must literally be for every picture and every frame in which their likeness appears. Not one frame can be altered without their consent.

fgaanb 5/25/2026|
The Pope is making a fundamental mistake here: His advisors told him that AI works and needs to be managed.

He does not address plagiarism, the fact that AI is mostly a surveillance and IP laundering tool, the fact that AI hasn't achieved much so far. You could say it has achieved nothing if compared to the whole history of human ingenuity, certainly not in CS.

He should have compared AI to the golden calf.

His criticism is lukewarm, does not address the criminal aspects and technological failures and is as such industry compliant. He can now say "I have tried" without harming the industry in the least.

This text is not what our current situation demands, but I hope that priests will augment and amplify it in their sermons and go a bit deeper.

dgellow 5/25/2026||
Are people seriously turning towards their religions for a take on intellectual property rights?
fgaanb 5/25/2026||
Technically it is one of the ten commandments.
dgellow 5/25/2026||
The part about not stealing? If yes that’s a tiny bit of a stretch :)
khazhoux 5/25/2026||
We would not have a legal concept of intellectual property at all, if not as a form of theft.
arter45 5/25/2026||
>Moreover, ownership of data cannot be left solely in private hands but must be appropriately regulated. Data is the product of many contributors and should not be treated as something to be sold off or entrusted to a select few. It is necessary to think creatively in order to manage data as a common or shared good, in a spirit of participation, as Saint John Paul II already suggested regarding collective goods. [128]

It does mention IP concerns, but that's not the greatest existential threat posed by AI.