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Posted by theletterf 12 hours ago

Magnifica Humanitas(www.vatican.va)
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popcorncowboy 2 hours ago|
"To the manifest glory of Rome, greatest of all cities, forever shall it stand" - circa the collapse of Roman empire. Or something like it.

NGL it sounds like so much bleating of the sheep standing outside the abattoir.

werber 7 hours ago||
I noticed ads on churches in Mexico City for this earlier this year, https://juanito.ai
netfortius 9 hours ago||
As an atheist I have an obligation to finish reading it all (still going through, and taking notes, probably having to revisit), but I am not sure how many (christian) believers will feel the same.
jawns 9 hours ago||
From where does that obligation originate?
cap11235 9 hours ago||
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dgellow 8 hours ago|||
As an atheist and even anti-theist I see no such obligation. What a strange thing to say
raldi 8 hours ago|||
Priests will read it and then talk to their congregations about it on Sundays throughout the year, if not explicitly, then in how it shapes their homilies.
michaelsbradley 7 hours ago||
Some Catholic priests might do that, it’s up to the individuals.
achierius 6 hours ago||
Most will and do. Few people become priests, today especially, without a deep-seated faith and desire to spread/support it.
michaelsbradley 5 hours ago||
We may have different things in mind.

In all my life of being Catholic (I’ll turn 50 this year), I’ve heard less than 5 homilies-sermons that amounted, in whole or part, to a reflection on a papal encyclical. Over time there may be juicy papal quotes that make it into Sunday preaching, but that’s about it.

Instead, priests tend to focus on the readings for that Sunday’s Mass and more general themes.

That being said, I hope many priests do read an encyclical any time a pope publishes one, but they’re very, very busy most days and weeks, so whether any one priest will commit time to reading a particular encyclical, old and dusty or hot off the presses, will depend on a lot of factors that are as varied as their individual circumstances and personalities.

Vaslo 9 hours ago||
You mean Catholic believers, not Christian
jact 8 hours ago||
Catholics are Christian.
dgellow 8 hours ago|||
In theory only and all Catholics recognize the authority of the pope. In practice it’s a mess as far as I understand, with a bunch of American catholic groups who rejected church reforms that happened during the 20th century, resulting in people calling themselves catholic who do not actually believe that the Catholic Church has authority over their religion.

Add to that the fact that the pope has a cultural influence that goes further than only the catholic audience (lots of Protestant see the pope as important even if that’s not something dictated by Protestantism, a bunch of not really religious people see him as a sort of spiritual leader, etc)

Amezarak 5 hours ago||
I'm not aware of any Protestants that see the Pope as important except in a very negative way - that's practically the defining feature of Protestantism and one of the few things all the Protestant denominations have in common, whether "low church" or "high church".

Heck, it's a struggle to convince many of them that Catholics are Christian at all, and "the Pope is the antichrist" used to be a normal, mainstream comment in American newspapers.

It is somewhat a piece of irony that the Pope generally holds a more favorable reputation in the minds of the irreligious in America than the religious. Even the average Catholic likely does not have as much respect for the Pope as some of the commenters here.

lobocinza 4 hours ago|||
Any serious Protestant (mainline and knowledgeable) listen and give weight when the Pope speaks. They would certainly refuse the Pope authority and inerrancy ex Cathedra but not necessarily disagree with him. Theologically there's much less division between Protestants and Catholics today than in XVI. A large share of disagreeements are due to residual historical animosity.
Amezarak 2 hours ago||
Every mainline Protestant denomination was basically founded on the idea that they shouldn’t have to listen to the Pope at all. And that was before Papal infallibility was enshrined, which actually didn’t take place until the late 1800s.

In America, anti-Catholic sentiment was extremely strong until relatively recently, and then only because religiosity (and thus the reason for it) has declined. All the theological division still exists, it’s just less striking in a world that’s much more irreligious and in countries where vastly different religions (Muslim or Hindu) are present now in real numbers.

Practically all the pro-Pope sentiment I’ve seen in my lifetime has been from various flavors of atheists, agnostics, and other areligious types. Catholics themselves generally hold more respect for the office than the person, and Protestants are almost uniformly negative on both.

dgellow 4 hours ago|||
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Vaslo 2 hours ago|||
But all Christians aren’t Catholic which is my point.
shmval 8 hours ago||
The message here obviously comes from a good place. But it can't escape the trap baked into its own theology. Putting humanity one rung below God, with everything else below us is a trick that allowed semitic civilizations to make empires and economies go FOOM faster than the rest of the world. But it also makes things more dangerous when we start building systems smarter than we are.

What happens when the tool outgrows the toolmaker?

shipman05 6 hours ago||
I'm (genuinely) curious as to what your idea of a less dangerous theology would be. I'm an atheist, but I find the inherent dignity of humans as beings made in the image of God to be one of the more appealing aspects of the Abrahamic faiths.

Some of the greatest horrors of the 19th and 20th centuries were committed by people who refuted that theology and replaced it with Social Darwinism and Scientific Racism.

xyzsparetimexyz 8 hours ago||
> But it also makes things more dangerous when we start building systems smarter than we are.

> What happens when the tool outgrows the toolmaker?

We've already built systems smarter than we are without much issue.Libraries and search engines for example. LLMs are just the next level of this.

bix6 5 hours ago||
This is a magnificent work. The thoughts and words are so precise and beautiful.
tete 7 hours ago||
And of course the AI salesforce was there pretending they take stuff seriously, maybe even believing it themselves. At least I don't believe that when the choice is maximizing profit or being a good person it will be the latter. Or at least I don't find a career path like that all too likely.
goldenarm 8 hours ago|
The paragraphs about making software transparent and collectively sound really similar to the open source ethos.
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