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Posted by IAmGraydon 8 hours ago

Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis(techcrunch.com)
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notepad0x90 6 hours ago|
I would love to get on this bandwagon, but I think strangely tech CEOs are spot-on on this one, it's the public that has mass-hysteria (I wouldn't say psychosis).

There have been several leaps in tech over the past few centuries, this is just sort of one. I can't find much original arguments or reasoning on either side that hasn't been made before for other tech. I think people are afraid it will replace them/jobs and they don't know what that will mean for their future, and society's future. It's also an issue with a few at the top of the pyramid controlling the tech. But it was so with petroleum, cars, even the internet (still is, handful of tech companies). There is also the quality thing, people think in a very binary way, where either AI work is perfect or it's a disaster, because it is replacing people after all. In reality, it's a sliding scale, and how well it does dictates how much work one person needs to do.

There was a time people didn't have text editing computers for example, lots of time spent writing on pen and paper, copy writers spell checking, carbon-copies being used to copy as you write,etc.. suddenly printers and text editors came. people still edited text, just more efficiently, you didn't need as many people. and with the internet, lots of different types of jobs were created.

I personally think, this is a timely rebalancing. Gen-Z has been suffering for a lack of entry level jobs, and it is getting worse because of AI.. but obviously AI has limits right? let's say we don't need software developers any more (ha!), does that mean AI can churn out perfect software each time? Alright, then who's paying AI to do that? does that mean I can create my own HN and have AI moderate it well on its own? Great, then how about something bigger, Facebook alternatives? How about more IRL things, like robotics, R&D work ,etc.. I just don't see how even if AI was dirt cheap and it replaces most of what people can do on computers, that would be a complete disaster.

I think the real issue is failure to re-architect society as time and tech changes. everything from academia, to WFH/RTO policies, labor law, housing, taxes, law,etc.. that's the issue, not AI on its own. It's the people not regulating it as they adjust and adapt to it without causing harm that are the issue. I'd love to blame tech CEOs, but they're just playing their part in capitalism. even in a communist society, the blame would be at lack of central planning and failure to regulate companies.

I'll say this though, it isn't so much they're delusional, but they don't get why people are emotional over something basic and utilitarian. to them, adaption and adjustment comes with a nice financial cushion. People tend to plan out their lives, without any cushions. i think there is mild psychosis going all around, but that isn't unusual. Even the hysteria and lack of perspective is in line with history, as well as how we continue to not learn from it.

madbo1 5 hours ago||
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nikhilpareek13 5 hours ago||
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wy35 5 hours ago||
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guluarte 6 hours ago||
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antondd 6 hours ago||
Man, it must be hard to be a tech CEO these days./s Even if you take a realistic position on AI, you can’t get off the train. Wall Street and your investors will hang and quarter you the moment you start expressing doubts. So you grind your teeth, make grandiose investment promises, sign lofty budgets, and hope it all works out.

Comparisons with luddites are absurd. AI is much closer to a religion.

Isamu 6 hours ago||
AI investment and spending is frequently cited as one of the few bright spots in the economy, I wonder if the continued over-optimism is mostly about keeping the bubble inflated. If you are a tech CEO, would it be a disservice to your shareholders to express skepticism about AI?
ModernMech 5 hours ago||
A big reason there are so few bright spots is AI sucking all the air out of anything else. Both funding and attention-wise.
Imustaskforhelp 6 hours ago||
I think this cuts to the point about democracy but if all the people somehow want something negative for themselves short term or long term, if you are the leader should you do what the public is saying or not?

I think there's more nuance to it but replace people with shareholder and leader with CEO.

I think that for a company to exist and thrive long term, it might need a culture which doesn't jump on every trend but it still evaluates them from time for time for a certain time and treat them as such (like tools) and if the tool is ineffective, then to not use the tool.

Unfortunately, I feel like this requires a deeper discourse and CTO's might be better suited for it or the fact that I feel like perhaps some shareholders might not be interested in the technical details so much.

I don't know but If I were a leader I would hopefully wish to make a pragmatic solution/suggestion while taking finances, current reality in mind and currently IMO AI aren't the end all, be all, that some people (with shrewd/double incentives) intend on suggesting.

0xbadcafebee 4 hours ago||
It's not psychosis. It's hope. The hope that computers can finally do what we all wished they could've done for years: do work for us, rather than us doing work for them.
TheNewsIsHere 2 hours ago|
Doing work for computers means something is broken in your process, product, culture, or whatever else.
canjobear 4 hours ago||
As early as last year "AI psychosis" seemed to refer to people going crazy due to talking to ChatGPT too much. That was a useful term for a real phenomenon! Now it seems like it's been taken over to mean "thinking that AI is promising" which is more of a rhetorical bludgeon and less useful as a concept.
sillysaurusx 6 hours ago|
Using "psychosis" is a cheap rhetorical trick. There's no need to label something "psychosis" when making your point, except to automatically discredit whatever you're responding to.

In other words, only people who are afraid their point won't stand on its own merits would resort to saying "X is suffering from AI psychosis." An idea is true or false on its own. If you're resorting to labels, you're just trying to automatically win the argument, instead of saying something substantive or interesting.

roadside_picnic 6 hours ago||
It also underplays what I've personally witnessed that I would consider true AI psychosis.

I worked with someone who sincerely believed he was spiritually co-evolving with his army of sycophantic AI agents (the agents would be tasked with discussing his thoughts at night and collaborated to give him morning reports about his progress). He would publicly write about how relationships with friends and family collapsing was a natural consequence of being so "advanced". I also never once saw any meaningful work done by his team of "agents", they existed solely tell him how smart he was (of course he specifically set up the system to 'challenge' him but... in practice that didn't seem to be working).

I suspect there are a lot more people quietly going through something similar but keeping it to themselves better.

I would distinguish this type of behavior from people who over ambitious views of what can be accomplished with AI.

saltcured 4 hours ago||
Having had experience dealing with people with conventional psychosis, I don't see it as a binary thing. Aside from a full-on psychotic break and full remission, there is a broad gray area. It can be a miasma of reality and non-reality that the sufferer may mask to varying degrees, but which influences their behavior and logic.

So, to me, AI psychosis seems apt to describe the murky areas where people are misapplying AI agents and thinking of them as social entities or suitable to drop into previously human roles, rather than carefully defining appropriate risk management strategies for this new technology.

jayd16 6 hours ago|||
In the phrase "artificial intelligence psychosis" I'm not sure "psychosis" is even the worst misnomer.
Nuzzerino 6 hours ago||
That depends on what the definition of “is” is. But kidding aside, only now that we are talking about tech CEOs are people suddenly disliking the AI psychosis term in large numbers. Seems like privilege to me. I’d be interested to see/do a rigorous statistical check on aggregate word choices in these threads to confirm.
muvlon 6 hours ago|||
All words are labels. You cannot make an argument without using them. "cheap rhetorical trick" or "resorting to labels" are just labels as well.
horsawlarway 6 hours ago|||
I honestly think "psychosis" is a fairly valid claim to be making.

It's a mental state, not explicit illness and it's literally defined as

> Psychosis is characterized as disruptions to a person's thoughts and perceptions that make it difficult for them to recognize what is real and what is not.

Further, if you go and look at the actual source... it's repeating a claim from Box founder Aaron Levie.

Who is quoted as saying:

> “CEOs are uniquely prone to AI psychosis because they’re sufficiently distant from the last mile of work that still has to happen to generate most value with AI,”

Which is why the title is "apparently".

xmcp123 6 hours ago|||
I think it's completely valid. It's generally reasonable, high powered people who are taking extreme/radical views that seem very much to be at minimum premature, and at worst delusional.

It says a lot that with few exceptions, the people on the ground dealing with AI closely on a day to day basis are the most skeptical about their positions.

podgietaru 6 hours ago|||
It's become a cultural term to refer to someone suffering from delusions exacerbated by AI.

It's a little rhetorical device to draw in the reader, and personally I think it works quite well.

estearum 6 hours ago||
Except that the thing being described as AI psychosis in this article (and increasingly elsewhere) isn't psychosis.

Not understanding or not believing in the power of AI, or misapplying it or whatever, is not psychosis.

AI psychosis is when people suffer actual delusions.

horsawlarway 6 hours ago||
What do you consider a delusion?

Because I've literally seen managers who believe firmly that AI is going to replace their entire engineering organization, and are acting on that assumption as though it's a thing to take for granted, not discuss/consider/evaluate.

And my understanding of delusion is

> a fixed, false belief that is firmly held despite clear, contradictory evidence

which seems to apply pretty well in this case.

These folks are operating with the same abandon that the folks who have AI telling them they're gods are - and both are incorrect, arguably delusional.

At best you can try to argue that maybe the contradictory evidence isn't clear, and they're going to be correct. I think that's a very tenuous argument to be making, though.

estearum 6 hours ago||
No, it's more like "I am Jesus and I need to go shoot up a pre-school to prove it."

"I'm being followed by raccoons and my mom is controlling them"

That's what AI psychosis refers to.

You're just describing someone having a belief that you disagree with. And even ridiculous and stupid beliefs are just those. They are obviously extremely different from the types of psychoses you see in a psych ward.

interviewitis 5 hours ago||
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camillomiller 6 hours ago|||
It is the correct term to explain many behaviors we’re seeing
tokai 6 hours ago|||
AI psychosis is an actual term from psychiatry research.
fssys 6 hours ago|||
what if you believe that someone is suffering from delusions and has beliefs that are increasingly disconnected from reality due to overexposure to ai generated responses and underexposure to human conversation? would that be psychosis?
IAmGraydon 6 hours ago|||
I disagree. Psychosis is a delinking of internal and external reality. A belief that AI's can automate away employees with no actual evidence to support it could be considered a type of psychosis or at the very least, a delusion. The current AI hype bubble has a lot of commonalities with episodes of mass delusion/psychosis throughout history, and it's being compounded by the ability of large groups of like-minded people to create echo chambers via social media.
mannanj 6 hours ago|||
Yup. Just like the label "conspiracy" theorist. Or "he's mentally sick".
kys11 6 hours ago||
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