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Posted by gcampos 4 days ago

I made my phone slow on purpose(vinewallapp.com)
74 points | 63 comments
chatmasta 25 minutes ago|
There is a great habit-breaking app called “One Sec.” You configure it with your addicting apps or websites and it uses iOS shortcuts to interrupt you when you open them, and make you wait for some time — optionally with the selfie camera open — and confirm you really want to open it. It’s extremely effective and I highly recommend it. I don’t have it anymore since it led me to eventually delete Instagram and I never looked back. Although I should reinstall it and apply it to YouTube shorts…

App Store link: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/one-sec-screen-time-focus/id15...

socalgal2 2 minutes ago||
I deleted Instagram a few years ago. Unfortunately too many restaurants and friends want to connect there so I recently re-installed.

I was lucky to never get addicted but, not making excuses, the moment I open the app, I click the logo at the top and pick "Following" and then I see only my friends. Of course it's not sticky (roll-eyes) but at least there's a way to mostly avoid the algo

shiba-inu 16 minutes ago|||
I personally prefer ScreenZen. It is a lot less restrictive on the free version and you can just tip once to get full access instead of a subscription. It also has a system where you can “earn back” app unlocks if you don’t use the app for the full allotted time, which encourages using your apps even less rather than feeling like having to make the most of your unlock.

App Store Link: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/screenzen-screen-time-control/...

kccqzy 4 minutes ago||
I used it a bit but it’s buggy: failing to unlock, or just tapping the button once for unlimited use. Eventually it completely stopped working.
jjice 7 minutes ago|||
YouTube also added a shorts timer that does a more in-app version of this that you can set to 0 minutes to have it always on. It's under "time management" in the app settings. Can't do it on the website from what I'm aware.
maxime_ 37 seconds ago|||
Only thing that worked for me long term. My problem is mostly with shorts, so I didn’t want to have a global timer for the whole app.
chatmasta 4 minutes ago|||
I use YouTube in browser, partially because that already makes it worse… but still doesn’t stop the doom scrolling :)
sdeframond 5 minutes ago|||
I use Unhook on firefox and disabled the YouTube app.

https://unhook.app/

Taek 21 minutes ago||
Wow, that is a fantastic idea. Basically interrupting the instant gratification loop by just enough to let the more rational mind get a word in.

Another tool that I've found to be incredibly helpful for breaking app-addition is the colorblind accessibility tool. You can use it to make the entire phone greyscale, which entirely defeats a huge range of techniques that apps and feeds use to draw your attention. Tiktok in greyscale I would estimate is 1/10th as likely to pull me into a 5+ minute video binge vs the full color version. And 1/100th as likely to pull me into a 90+ minute video binge (which unfortunately does happen to me in full color).

js98 1 hour ago||
Personally, my recent and surprisingly greatest win was to set up my old phone (samsung S21) with the addictive apps, removing them completely from my iPhone.

Quite literally "cold-turkey'ed" from 4.5-ish hours/day to 2 hours a day in a single day, consistent over the last few weeks.

I set up my second phone with a custom homescreen, and installing the 'bad' apps on there (Instagram, Youtube, NYTimes in particular). I dont use it for other apps.

Now if I want to scroll, which I still do sometimes, I have to walk to a specific chair next to which my 'addiction phone' is, I'll scroll for 10-15 minutes, and get back to the real world. I used to have particular issues with scrolling during vibe-coding sessions, and I'm genuinely surprised how well this approach worked for me.

irawen 29 minutes ago|
cold-turkey doesn't seem to be the right phrase here, but i do agree with your overall point. i really do treat my scroll sessions as like a cigarette break, which, in a funny way, helps me feel better about wasting the time. it's an indulgement of a vice :p
herbertl 2 hours ago||
I log out of every social media website/app because the act of logging in is just enough friction for me to be mindful: do I really want to do this?

The sense of slowness creates the conditions for pausing and being mindful of what you're doing.

In spirit, this reminds me of the return to slow/analog: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48084980

Consider it the no- or low-alcohol alternative to full speed. https://www.paulgraham.com/addiction.html

MisterTea 55 minutes ago|
At work I curbed most of my internet wandering by turning off all the autocomplete and history of the browser. When I close the browser, everything is wiped. This way I have to explicitly type in the site url instead of an autocomplete in the url bar or history suggestion. I don't do anything personal on a work computer anyway so I don't need to log into anything.

On my phones it's even easier: no apps save for absolutely necessary. If I need an app while traveling or whatever, I install it only for the necessary duration then uninstall it when done.

Version467 1 hour ago||
I think more people should set up their iPhone using Apple Configurator, a Mac app used to control apples mdm solution. You do have to factory reset your phone for this once, but after that you have extremely granular control over what you can and can’t do. It’s much more powerful than the parental controls system and much harder to circumvent.

I use it to straight up disallow a bunch of apps and websites (tiktok, Reddit, YouTube, etc.)

For a while I even uninstalled safari which you can just do with this. Not having a browser at all on your phone is a neat experiment and really changed how I interact with tech on the go.

I did eventually install safari back, but overall I prefer the Apple Configurator setup a lot over any of these kinds of apps.

halapro 1 hour ago||
> Not having a browser at all on your phone

I would not last 5 minutes.

I'm occasionally offline outside planes and the amount of times I pull out my phone to "google something really quick" is high.

You can already disallow apps without an MDM, but I'm curious what else you can do with it. I generally uninstall apps like Instagram so it takes a minute to even download it again, but it gives me a way to download it, post something and delete it once a week or so.

garyfirestorm 1 hour ago||
I found an incredibly simple solution for this. Screen time in iOS can block specific websites and apps installed on your device. Set harmless time limits - 5 min for instagram. 2 mins for Reddit.com etc.

Ask your spouse or a friend you trust to set screen time passcode. You can’t bypass it and you’re not going cold turkey either or losing an important utility like Safari.

Doom scroll all you want in 2 mins then it’s locked for the day.

I have succeeded and it’s been 3+ months.

tripdout 39 minutes ago|||
Does that website blocking work for browsers other than Safari?
latexr 18 minutes ago||
> I think more people should set up their iPhone using Apple Configurator

I tried that app briefly to organise my pages, and not only was it stiff and awkward to use, it decided to screw everything up and reset positions.

p0358 2 hours ago||
As someone who used to have actually slow phones before: this will not help your doom-scrolling. You will still doom-scroll, but you'll just be frustrated and miserable due to the lags. You're welcome.
fhdkweig 1 hour ago||
My solution to doom scrolling on the desktop was to edit my /etc/hosts file to disallow me from going to the offending sites. After a few weeks, the habit was broken and I didn't even miss them anymore.
p0358 1 hour ago|||
I did have something similar, but in my case it was an involuntary favor from Meta, as they presented a blocking screen asking whether I agree to use my personal information for targeted ads. The options were I agree or I pay. So I just wouldn't click either and hence I just couldn't access their sites anymore lol. (yeah well, I didn't give up that easily originally, as funnily enough you could find methods to bypass the screens and the APIs in apps would still fully work and let you use it, but it was more trouble than worth it eventually)

There was also Twitter, which had also solved the problem by itself. After the take-over, the quality of content rapidly plummeted so hard, at certain point I just didn't feel like ever visiting the site again.

So I'm almost thankful to these companies for actively pushing people out like that, y'know? I'm just sorry for people still stuck in there, it must be even more miserable presently...

gaiagraphia 1 hour ago||||
For those who don't use it already, the following is a great compilation of curated block lists you can put into your etc/hosts file to block traffic :)

https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts

latexr 14 minutes ago||||
Doesn’t work for Safari on macOS, as it does not respect /etc/hosts nor your DNS settings, it uses its own.
Insanity 1 hour ago|||
Ha, I did the same about 15 years ago. Nowadays don’t need the file anymore but it was a good way to get rid of that initial automated behaviour.
d1str0 1 hour ago|||
I think it’s a valiant effort. Sometimes having multiple influences can make it easier to change behavior.
p0358 1 hour ago||
Maybe it can work to some degree for some people. But there are other methods that should help much more effectively, without being self-destructive and miserable. I view this solution in similar categories as, say, suggesting someone should drunk themselves off to the point of passing out, because you know... at least they won't scroll at that point probably? And yet there are some very obvious downsides of such approach.

I mean if someone wants to try something in this direction, but without the misery, I'd suggest things like making the screen monochromatic, which will make the content seem less appealing to the brain, but without that being a nuisance.

fsflover 1 hour ago||
Have you tried using NoScript? Works for me (except HN).
kixiQu 43 minutes ago||
Imagining a version of this that scales by how long I've been using the phone since the screen's been off. If I need to check something quickly, I want the internet and processing to be fast, because checking my phone a lot is fine with me – just not zoning out for long periods of time. First 60s or so unpenalized. Then beyond that, if I'm getting close to my daily target, it starts throttling. A little longer than 60s? Maybe only a bit slowed down. 5min? I want it to get cronchy. Not sure network's the right axis though. Maybe actual screen responsiveness?
SapporoChris 36 minutes ago||
"It was a bit ironic to spend that much on a phone just to build the thing that would slow it down."

That doesn't seem ironic to me, it seems economically foolish. Why not simply buy an older phone?

Okay, reading further down. Really this is just an advertisement for an app they made targeted to people without self control who watch videos on their phone too often.

orsorna 30 minutes ago|
Your comment carries disdain for people who lack "self control" from engaging with algorithms that are proficiently designed to keep you engaged with the content, as if checking little boxes in the user's grey matter. Does your grey matter have foolproof methods to avert manipulation from processes that have billions of dollars and thousands of man hours poured into figuring out how to keep you engaged? Are you immune to tricks being developed in the future right now? Who's to say you haven't been manipulated through multiple degrees of separation?
ak217 1 hour ago||
I did something similar. I like to keep my phone limited (the only real useful/joyful things on it for me are family pictures, music and maps). So I used an iphone SE until it fell apart, now I use an iphone mini that doesn't have enough storage so it offloads all but the top ten apps I use.

I didn't make it slow and buggy on purpose though. Apple did that for me with Liquid glass. Which I guess works!

mmastrac 46 minutes ago||
The most effective rule for me is no addictive apps on my phone or laptop - browser apps only. The browser apps are _far_ less addictive and just enough friction to keep me off them for extended periods of time. As well, infinite scroll just isn't as effective in a browser and there's a real feeling of limited content running out.
65 14 minutes ago|
If you use the broswer verison of apps you can also inject custom scripts. I have one for Instagram that completely removes the recommendation feed. Works great.
Tade0 1 hour ago|
This is a method, but it's the underlying issue that needs to be resolved.

People doomscroll primarily to avoid certain thoughts/feelings/situations.

The way out of it is to:

1. Note that you're avoiding something.

2. Identify what it is.

3. Face it.

This is an addiction and reaching for the phone is just what gives relief to whatever pain one might be experiencing. Just removing that is laying ground for a substitute.

kixiQu 1 hour ago||
> This is an addiction and reaching for the phone is just what gives relief to whatever pain one might be experiencing. Just removing that is laying ground for a substitute.

This model would not suggest the results seen in studies like this:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11846175/

(The intervention was not "face the roots of your problems", it was "stop using your phone so much", and it produced positive impact.)

gausswho 1 hour ago|||
While a popular refrain, this is not the only reason one might engage in avoidance. Furthermore, even if it is rooted in a pain, not everyone will be motivated optimally by thinking of it as something that must be analyzed and extracted. One can simply be bored without it being a pathology.
hibhfyingg 47 minutes ago||
If one is so constantly bored that doomscrolling turns into an addiction, then that person most certainly is suffering from some kind of psychological imbalance. Occasional boredom is normal, constant boredom is not.
kqp 55 minutes ago|||
This should be at the top. It pisses people off because we reflexively think “I’m not a weak-willed procrastinator” or “I’m no addict” or “it’s not that simple”, but it is the truth, and the way to fix it, and harder than it sounds. We get frustrated looking for a dopamine hit elsewhere so we get it from a source we know. Running away from that source isn’t enough to end up running towards the behavior we want, there are a million different undesirable ways to get the hit.
gcampos 34 minutes ago|||
That is something I want to eventually incorporate into VineWall.

My goal is to have VineWall to detect user patterns and use this information to help the user cope with the situations in a more healthy way

Groxx 49 minutes ago||
"don't change anything unless you can completely solve the root cause [assuming you have accurately identified it]" is really not backed up by research.
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