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Posted by philips 19 hours ago

Bricks and Minifigs Stole a Man's $200k Lego Collection(mybricklog.com)
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gkoberger 18 hours ago|
I'm really confused by this blog. There seems to be a large portion of the story missing. I can't figure out the correlation between the owner losing their franchise and the rest of the story. Why did they want to steal the sets? If they're really a $400M company (whatever that means), why would they do this over (at most) $200k?

I couldn't figure out what is being claimed here. I'm not saying it's not true, I just can't follow the story at all.

EDIT: After reading other sources, it seems that the franchise owed $200k to BAM (unrelated) and also made a deal with the Mansell's directly. And it seems like the parent company is saying the unsold sets have been returned but the money is theirs because the store owed them money, while the Mansells are (correctly) saying consignment means they own the sets, not the franchise. BAM crossed into definitively illegal territory when they continued to sell sets after the Mandells asserted they wanted their property back (as confirmed by a "sting" operation).

The Reckless Ben stuff is actually pretty interesting: https://youtu.be/14ktgvoH4Mc?si=yhSzpEDo5ut6s8eS&t=880

A_D_E_P_T 18 hours ago||
It's not that hard to understand.

A man gave a store merchandise on consignment, signed a contract with the store manager.

The manager lost control of the store to corporate. The goods were still there, still on display and being sold.

Corporate says, "this is mine now" and refuses to honor the contract. "It wasn't our name on it, says right here that the previous store manager signed this, and she's no longer with us." They sell the goods and keep all of the revenue, rather than just their 10% share.

It seems like theft, but it's a very common civil contract dispute. The side with possession and deeper pockets is the side with the leverage, sadly!

8note 21 minutes ago|||
> "It wasn't our name on it, says right here that the previous store manager signed this, and she's no longer with us."

this seems kinda obvious that if they dont have a contract to do consignment, they don't have a contract to the lego at all, and cannot sell the lego

prophesi 18 hours ago||||
Corporate is also claiming that they don't allow stores to take on consignment deals, contrary to their franchise agreement explicitly allowing franchise owners to take on consignment deals.
munk-a 17 hours ago|||
I have absolutely no doubts a court would consider it impossible to transfer goods under consignment to a different entity free of the burden of the consignment contract. So the corporation trying to reach into the franchise to grab these goods without honoring the contract is absolute BS and they should be dragged through the mud over it.

The unfortunate loophole here is that, potentially, by shutting down that franchise in a bankruptcy the corporation may end up being preferred for being made whole on debts relative to the consigner. Bankruptcy is complicated so while I am pretty sure any remaining goods from the consignment would be returned to the original owner the proceeds from sales that were successfully made might end up in the pocket of the corporation.

Personally, I absolutely loathe consignment. It is an incredibly complex agreement with a lot of weird edge cases about deprecation of goods and the duty to seek a good price that get complex quick. If you have goods like this and can find a store that will buy your goods in bulk you should be very careful in considering how much you care about the price difference between that bulk price and the percentage they list for consignment. A single transaction is usually much cleaner and easier for both sides and in this case (trying to pay for medical costs) having the money immediately can be quite attractive.

keithnz 15 hours ago|||
If you look at the latest stuff from the previous owner where they recorded multiple conversations / pulled security footage... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zedmOopRTm0 1, they were allowed to do consignment deals, 2, when corporate took control, they said they'd take on the consignment liability, 3, BAM outright threatens them with making the legal process too expensive for them.

All of which contradicts the current corporate response

toofy 12 hours ago||
yeah, it’s plain as day they say blatantly they’ll take on the consignment.

the reckless ben youtube videos are pretty clearly laid out with contracts, video evidence, etc..

the crazy part to me is how blatant the executives of bricks and minifigs are in saying go ahead and try to sue us, we’ll drag this out until you’re broke from lawyers fees. we’re a lawyer rich corp and you’re not. they don’t even try to hide it.

bricks and minifigs are just crazy dickens movie tier evil it’s crazy.

gblargg 6 hours ago|||
Unfortunately this makes every Bricks and Minifigs store a risk to do business with, selling or buying. You're either supporting a criminal enterprise or risking being a victim of one.
fsloth 8 hours ago||||
"the crazy part to me is how blatant the executives of bricks and minifigs are in saying go ahead and try to sue us, we’ll drag this out "

To my experience this is a common strategy in disputes when the corporate party has people who operate as uncivilized brutes. I think it's part of the McKinseyfication of companies - profits at all cost - and here's the playbook.

My personal experience is from private parking control. Rather than be professional about my reclamation, their first response was "only criminals dispute these and we win all the court cases".

So I think trying to be imposing and villanous to scare the other non-corporate party to back off is a common global corporate playbook in situations in matters where companies enter contractual complex space with individuals.

sarchertech 4 hours ago||
Very rarely do corporations act like this once there’s any sort of spotlight on them. Especially over such a relatively small number. This is nothing to do with any standard corporate tactics and everything to do with the guys in charge being complete dick heads.
fsloth 3 minutes ago||
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vintermann 9 hours ago|||
Sign of the times. It's not enough to be rich and powerful, the goal is to be able to gloat about your impunity. Little Epsteins.
Suzuran 2 hours ago||
That has always been the goal. There is, has, and always will be a powerful caste system to ensure that they are gods and we are trash. "Stay in your lane" / "Know your place" / etc. have been watchwords for thousands of years.
superxpro12 1 hour ago||||
yeah you cant just unilaterally cancel the contract in which you agreed to hold the goods for sale, and then take possession without any reimbursement.

You either need to pay the sales price of the consigned items, or just give them back.

If you do neither, its the same exact thing as theft. Which is what they did. They took possession of the 200k lego set with no reimbursement. Just plain ol' theft.

preinheimer 16 hours ago||||
> I have absolutely no doubts a court would consider it impossible to transfer goods under consignment to a different entity free of the burden of the consignment contract.

Reminds me of the whole "disney must pay" debacle.

throwaway85825 15 hours ago||
Was that the incident where they stole an artists tiki design?
preinheimer 14 hours ago|||
No, they came up with some legal theory in which they’d bought the assets of some company, including the company’s ownership of some art, but not obligations like paying royalties.
throwaway85825 14 hours ago|||
Oh yes, the incident with the star wars extended universe authors royalties. Disney is the worst.
taneq 8 hours ago|||
That’s like when I got my shower sealed and then it started leaking within the warranty period. The company claimed that they were the new owners and had purchased the business but not the warranty obligations (!) and I’d have to find the original owner and try to make him honour the warranty. Which was complete BS, obviously, but it wasn’t worth taking to court. :/
sgerenser 3 hours ago|||
There actually are legal ways to do that… instead of buying the company, you start a new company, and just buy assets of the old company (e.g. phone numbers, web sites, trademarks, customer lists). Seems shady but apparently it’s pretty common.
sarchertech 4 hours ago|||
A letter from a lawyer or small claims court might be worth it though. It’s not going to take that much of your time, or cost very much.
Barbing 13 hours ago|||
Perhaps:

“Authors Have Formed a Task Force Because Disney Refuses to Pay Them”

https://bookriot.com/disney-must-pay-task-force/

> Authors like Neil Gaiman have formed a task force to fight for the royalties Disney has refused to pay for Star Wars and other tie-in novels.

BobAliceInATree 17 hours ago||||
The problem with consignment is that the consignor wants the maximum price but the consignee wants a quick sale because 10% of a few bucks more means very little and they have to hold the inventory.
michaelt 15 hours ago|||
Selling on consignment can be an absolutely great deal for shops, under the right conditions.

If I'm a lego trader and I buy your set for $900 hoping to sell it later for $1000, in the meantime that's $900 I can't invest in anything else. And maybe I guessed the set's value wrong and I end up unloading it for $800, taking a loss.

On the other hand, if I agree to sell that same set on consignment? Zero capital outlay, zero risk of me taking a loss - just some shelf space and admin work.

nine_k 13 hours ago|||
> just some shelf space

Unless the store owns its building and has too little inventory to cover the shelves, the cost of not filling the shelves with the right goods is quite serious. In a low-margin business like retail, "just some shelf space" reads almost like "just some gold bars".

tikhonj 11 hours ago|||
This is definitely not uniform. I worked on inventory management at Target, and stores had quite a lot of shelf space—to the point where we'd hold large amounts of cheap, non-perishable stuff like cat litter because, well, we had the space for it.

Stores also wanted to look full. We actually had parameters in our inventory management logic to increase inventory just for presentation reasons. If inventory is expensive, having some free, quality inventory can be valuable in and of itself even if it moves slowly.

sgerenser 3 hours ago||
Bricks and Minifigs stores are like 2000 square feet, much different than a Target. Their overhead per square foot is almost certainly far higher than Target.
plorg 39 minutes ago||
On the other hand, every BAMF I've ever been in had more open space than any of the other businesses it shared a strip mall with.
mcv 5 hours ago||||
If you have no shelf space, of course you can refuse the consignment. And this was a really big one, but the shop was initially very happy with it. Advertised widely with it. Brought in more shelves to display it all. From what I understand, it was a very large part of what was for sale in that shop.
dghlsakjg 11 hours ago||||
But the shelf space is part of it either way... It's not like consignment stores take everything offered. Most of them are incredibly selective.
sgerenser 3 hours ago||||
My wife owns a retail business where some part of their sales is consignment. Taking anything in with only a 10% consignment fee would be laughable, there’s no way that’s a money making deal when you account for all the overhead of a small retail store. My suspicion is the original store owner made a bad consignment deal to sell the Star Wars stuff with only a 10% commission and the new owner didn’t want to live up to it. Of course, at that point they should have just given it all back, but it turns out they’d rather be evil.
thaumasiotes 2 hours ago||
The videos identify the consignment fee as 35%, not 10%.
sgerenser 2 hours ago||
I head them say 35% at some point later in the videos, but they definitely said 10% first, so I’m not sure which is correct.
thaumasiotes 2 hours ago|||
> In a low-margin business like retail, "just some shelf space" reads almost like "just some gold bars".

However, in this particular case, the legos were initially displayed as a customer attraction, and then kept in storage. Presumably there's still some inventory cost in storage, but the shelves are clear.

>> The collection will be on display in the store's party room from 10am till 6pm on Saturday, November 11th, and 11am till 6pm on Sunday. The collection will be available for sale immediately, so the best time for pictures will be Saturday morning. The collection will not be stored on-site after hours for security reasons, and after Sunday the sets will be available for purchase but stored elsewhere.

Barbing 13 hours ago|||
Much better deal for a diamond ring than a giant kayak, then. Gotta pay rent to sit on the shelf!
gowld 15 hours ago||||
"Holding inventory" is only problem if the store is full.
munk-a 13 hours ago||
It isn't - deprecation of held goods is always a risk and if you're working on consignment then that comes with weird financial liabilities. If there's a flood and you lose your inventory it sucks - if there's a flood and you lose an inventory of consigned values then suddenly you're potentially exposed to paying market value for a number of items in addition to all the site damage you'll need to address. Capacity is one aspect of the costs of holding inventory - but breakage is the much more expensive consideration and consignment just makes it even more expensive.
plorg 35 minutes ago|||
I believe in this case the consignment contract requires the store to hold insurance on the consigned merchandise, which I assume is intended to address this concern.
hnlmorg 8 hours ago|||
None of this is a risk with Lego.

Depreciation: not going to happen on Star Wars sets that are not longer in production.

Water damage: Lego is water proof.

Breakage: being easy to take apart and put back together is Lego’s core principle.

lazyasciiart 5 hours ago||
a large part of the value of secondhand stuff is in the box and packaging, assuming those nice boxes in the image were from his collection - those are a little more fragile than the Lego pieces themselves.

Edit: wait, the whole collection was sealed and new in box. Yea, just water damage to those boxes would cut the value by at least 10%. Collectors are picky as shit.

hnlmorg 29 minutes ago||
They were sealed in box? Yeah you'd be right that damage would be easy and could significantly reduce the value.

I didn't realize people bought Lego to leave in the box. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised because it's a common thing for collectors to do in other hobbies.

munk-a 17 hours ago|||
Yup, if I worked in a field where consignment was an option I'd refuse to do it - it's a huge headache. So I'd absolutely believe that the corporation has a policy against accepting consignment offers and might have a case to recover damages or something against the original franchisee. But the way they've handled this situation still appears to be atrocious. Lets say you consigned 200k at a 10% commission, 50k sold under the original franchisee and you were paid 30k already. If the franchise transferred and the company wanted out there should be an exit[1] in the contract to pay the additional 15k and then return the goods to the original owner. I think it's important to remember this sort of an option was always on the table.

1. Even if the original consignment contract was poorly drawn up without a clear exit clause I think it'd be reasonable to expect a resolution somewhere close to this in mediation.

brittlepeanut 14 hours ago|||
The original contract very specifically allows consignment. It's published.

So you "absolutely believe" something that was already proven false, and which you would know if you had even _skimmed_ the facts.

philistine 15 hours ago|||
You clearly didn't read the article. The original franchisee's contract allows consignement.
munk-a 13 hours ago||
I have read that article and a few other sources since the first few ways I heard about this story were heavily biased. I have not yet seen B&M confirm that the contract that was leaked is genuine - it is incredibly unlikely that they would, of course, but it still remains one the facts in this case that I tenatively believe but have some reservations around.

I thought it was interesting to, from the assumption that the corporation actually banned consignments, still work through how it doesn't free them from wrong doing. Even in the best light B&M has acted in bad faith.

liamwire 5 hours ago||
Your alternative is that the contract was forged. Something easily falsifiable in court and absolutely devastating to any case brought, not to mention any follow-on charges that may result. Is that what you're putting forward?
throwaway85825 17 hours ago||||
In bankrupty a court appointed liquidator can seize assets and sell them to repay creditors. Of course none of this happened here.
alasdair_ 13 hours ago|||
They can seize assets that belong to the entity. They can’t seize assets that belong to other people just because it happens to be on their premises, in the same way that they can’t seize and sell the cars that happen to be in a bankrupt store’s parking lot.
mcv 5 hours ago||
I saw an analysis from a lawyer who said that there are situations where a creditor can claim consignment items, but that it didn't apply here.
jimnotgym 17 hours ago|||
They can't sieze consignment stock though?!?
munk-a 17 hours ago|||
"Can't" is a really bad word to use and I am not certain if "they" here are the corporation or the liquidator.

If you're talking about the corporation I think that any sensible neutral party would probably come down on the side that the corporation has no entitlement to those goods.

If you're talking about the liquidator then the goods were held by the franchise so if it went through bankruptcy those goods would be under consideration by the steward - I think they'd usually find that the original owner should be entitled to the goods since they're relatively non-fungible. The proceeds from sold goods are likely a more complicated answer since money is fungible and divisible. I could accept that there would be scenarios where a steward would think that the corporation should recover a portion of the proceeds.

throwaway85825 17 hours ago||||
The court can do almost anything. Its happened before.

https://www.cozen.com/news-resources/publications/2020/is-yo...

benmmurphy 6 hours ago|||
I think if the consignor has not taken the correct steps then there is a risk the receiver would be able to pay other secured creditors using the consignors assets. For example if there are other creditors with liens on the inventory then you are meant to take steps to notify them of your claims on the consigned goods because otherwise the consigned goods could look like inventory to the secured creditor (https://www.lowenstein.com/news-insights/publications/articl...)
JohnHaugeland 3 hours ago|||
bricks and minifigs is going to lose a hell of a lot more than this 10% in business

regardless of the law, it’s a very stupid move on the company’s part.

if they had half a brain they’d pay double the commission and pretend it aas internal miscommunication. $40k is cheap versus the pr hit they’re taking right now

askbjoernhansen 18 hours ago||||
The (former) franchise owner shared their contract with BAM that explicitly allowed consignments.
SV_BubbleTime 14 hours ago||
I’ll make sure if I’m ever listing anything through a store via consignment that I remember to ask if the contract with their their franchiser allows consignment in the event that the franchisees folds. You know, typical stuff.
mcv 5 hours ago|||
Corporate is lying a lot, and is pretty clearly guilty of theft at the very least.

The bigger problems I see here are:

1. You can't really sure large corporations like Bricks & Minifigs. They've got deeper pockets and can drag it out until you go bankrupt. There's no good legal recourse for this, meaning larger corporations can basically do whatever they want and ignore the law, as long as they only hurt people smaller than them.

2. The police refuses to treat this as the theft it is. There have been several confrontations with police that give a very strong impression that the police is corrupt and protecting the Bricks & Minifigs and its crimes.

3. Reckless Ben's questionable shenanigans seem to be the only way to fight for justice in unequal situations like this. The offending franchise is now closed. The victim still doesn't have his lego or money back, but thanks to Ben, Bricks & Minifigs is now also feeling the pain. Without that, they would have simply gotten away with it. Chance are they've done stuff like this before.

Also interesting are some of the stunts Ben has pulled:

1. Confronted with the claim that it's a civil matter, he tried turning it into a crime, by holding a raffle for one of the stolen sets that's still legally owned by the victim. The winner of the raffle went to pick it up, and was refused, making it theft from a lottery, which is a crime that the police is supposedly required to investigate (they didn't).

2. Several people buy $10k worth of lego from the victim and claim it from the shop. When they're refused, they go to small claims court, which is now possible because it's only $10k. Bricks & Minifigs ignored it and closed the shop instead. There are default judgements in favour of the people helping the victim, but there doesn't seem to be any way to enforce them.

3. He went out of his way to get the company to sue him, which is apparently better than him suing the company? I'm not sure why. But Bricks & Minifigs didn't bite.

The most effective thing has simply been the PR. The public attention may finally get law enforcement to investigate and punish Bricks & Minifigs. Or at least the broader public will know and avoid Bricks & Minifigs, so at least the company gets punished financially. That won't help the victim, but at least it would be some measure of justice.

DannyBee 3 hours ago|||
#1 is a bluff. It would be really hard to drag it out and judges hate that. You are much more likely to end up paying the costs of the little guy as sanctions than bankrupting them or whatever.

This is also straightforward enough and enough evidence exists that it would be hard to drag it out.

sarchertech 4 hours ago|||
>you can’t really sue

You definitely can sue a large corporation and win or force a settlement. The “we’ll drag this out until you are bankrupt” thing is more bluff than reality. Courts do not react favorably to that. Especially when they have direct evidence of those threats.

A corporation may have a litigation cost advantage, but they’re still going to spend more than the $180k or whatever that they owed to execute this drag it out forever strategy.

rolandog 8 hours ago||||
(sprinkle a bunch of IIRC's) You're glossing over the fact that they have continued to sell the items in spite of a cease and desist from the brick owners which makes them totally culpable of selling other people's property, and that they're also being sued for unfair termination because the managers were calling in good faith to let them know they were going to take a job abroad.
crazygringo 16 hours ago||||
But the end of the blog post says the man sued and won.

But the store closed to get out of paying.

Which makes no sense if the store was corporate-owned. So why isn't the corporation paying?

munk-a 16 hours ago|||
The store in question was a franchise so potentially the liability will be limited to just the assets of that franchise. But there's a lot of weird stuff here and it looks like the corporation may have (in a legally questionable manner) removed assets from the store to the corporation during proceedings to shield them.
alasdair_ 12 hours ago|||
A representative of the corporation, while taking over the store, expressly states that the corporation is taking over the consignment agreement, on camera and with several witnesses.
gamblor956 15 hours ago||||
Courts are allowed to pierce the corporate veil when that happens.
munk-a 14 hours ago||
They absolutely are and a good lawyer, I'm sure, could audit the accounts and find some misdeeds - the issue is that the auditing and even getting access to those records in court is extremely expensive. To my knowledge there isn't a way to trigger that kind of a discovery in small claims so you need to go through the pricey legal system.

The money in question here is the proceeds from selling a collection valued at 200k - the recovery (unless you start to get into punitive territory) is likely to be rather meager... and it's a large risk so there may be few bites on firms willing to take it on purely commission.

swiftcoder 8 hours ago|||
> unless you start to get into punitive territory

Is there not potential grounds here for punitive damages? The false police reports and harassment seem egregious even by corporate standards.

And the corporation is valued at $400 million, so it's not like the pot isn't sweet enough

benmmurphy 6 hours ago||||
In the UK you can make an order of information to compel directors of a company that is in debt to answer questions about company assets, accounts and records under oath. This can be done in County Court and my understanding it is inexpensive. I'm not sure how useful this is for carrying out an audit because I think its meant to be used for seeing if the debtor has the ability to pay. I think generally incorrect trading during an insolvency is meant to be discovered by the receivers during the insolvency process. Also, I'm not sure if there is an equivalent to an order of information in the US system.
whall6 13 hours ago|||
Seems like it would be hard to know which blue Lego was Bryan’s
barake 13 hours ago||
It was sealed sets, still NIB, not individual pieces. No one would bother selling $200k of loose bricks on consignment.
whall6 12 hours ago||
Let me rephrase: “blue Lego set”
sgerenser 2 hours ago|||
Somewhere in one of the long videos, they mentioned that there were unique stickers on each of his items that he was selling on consignment. They had to have known which items were his.
throwawaysoxjje 10 hours ago||||
This is a collectible market so Lego sets aren’t fungible, so being unable to keep track of that sounds like negligence.
gblargg 6 hours ago|||
*grey, since it was Star Wars
sleepybrett 15 hours ago|||
because, i assume, that they sued the salem location directly?
crazygringo 15 hours ago||
They wouldn't make any sense, if the whole thing started because corporate took over control and ownership the location.
Electricniko 14 hours ago||
It sounds like corporate took away ownership and gave it to a new franchisee.
mcv 5 hours ago||
The original franchisee claims to have lost their life savings in that move. I have no idea how exactly that happened. Their story really sounds like something from Russia back when western investors had their company simply taken from them by someone well-connected.
sgerenser 2 hours ago||
It sounds like the original franchisee doesn’t want to admit that they were losing a lot of money already. Only someone really desperate would take on a $200K lego collection and only collect a 10% consignment fee. It would also explain the corporate “takeover” if they were already behind on paying their franchise fees or whatever they might have owed to corporate.

That being said, it’s not illegal to be a bad business person, and none of that excuses the subsequent behavior by BAM corporate or the new franchise owner.

plorg 24 minutes ago|||
* The store's consignment fee was 35%

* They had sold about half of the consigned inventory

* The old franchise owner said they had a job offer outside the country

* Said franchise owner was current on a restructured fee schedule that, they allege, was the direct result of corporate bungling the transfer of accounts from the franchise owner previous to them

mcv 2 hours ago|||
From what I understand, the original franchisee wanted to sell the store because they wanted to leave the US (for "political reasons"; I suspect they don't want to live in Trumpland anymore, but that's pure speculation). The way it appears, the moment they announced that desire to sell, B&M corporate showed up to take control of the shop. And the consignment.
james_marks 5 hours ago||||
When the parent buys the store, they are also buying their contracts and obligations.

Unless the contract was written so poorly this didn’t happen?

gkoberger 18 hours ago||||
It is hard to understand if you only read the blog posted here. They left out a lot of this specificity.
aaa_aaa 7 hours ago||
This is because poster takes sides
calgoo 7 hours ago||
Yes? Take the side of the person getting railroaded by a giant corporation, a bunch of corrupt cops, and a legal system that is built to protect the big, and milk the poor.

Whats the other side in this? Feel bad for the 400 million corp with their army of lawyers? Feel bad for the store owners who scammed the person and acted like a total dick? Honestly, whats your take on this?

dwedge 7 hours ago||
> Whats the other side in this?

The difference between you and the person you replied to is that, despite neither of you knowing what the other side is, the other person was curious to learn it instead of assuming they know everything and attacking.

Retric 7 hours ago||
> This is because poster takes sides

Is an attack on the credibility of the writer.

singpolyma3 18 hours ago||||
As soon as there is a shred of dispute every theft becomes a contract dispute
thaumasiotes 5 hours ago||
Well, you might say that.

> The police, for their part, kept calling it a "civil matter" and declining to investigate. Every single time.

On the other hand...

> In a subsequent conversation after the store closure and lawsuit loss, when Ben indicated the logical next step was to pursue Johnson personally, Josh's response, according to documented accounts, included the threat: "If you try to pursue me legally, YOU stole the LEGOs."

> Shortly after that conversation, someone called in a police report claiming Reckless Ben was transporting heroin.

This is a strange choice by Johnson, since it instantly transforms the civil dispute into a criminal offense.

consumer451 18 hours ago||||
I have heard of the same thing happening with fancy used car dealerships, where cars that were to be sold on consignment have been lost.
throwaway85825 18 hours ago||
And dealers have gone to prison for that.
psygn89 18 hours ago||||
This is a gofundme I would gladly donate to. Fight the power for what's right.
ninju 16 hours ago|||
There's a link at the bottom of the article

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-bryan-recover-his-lego-colle...

fhn 17 hours ago|||
Yeah, but you don't know the whole story. There was a young motorcyclists who ran from the police and killed in a crashed. His family has a go-fund me still just to collect money.
jrflowers 16 hours ago|||
You should post the link to that. Police chases costing people’s lives is an awful thing, anybody that’s ever seen a cop driving 130mph because they think they’re Knight Rider might want to donate.
FireBeyond 17 hours ago|||
Report it. GFM has rules around fundraising around crimes.
code_duck 3 hours ago||||
I used to sometimes do consignment with artistic products I made, and 80% of the time I ended up being jerked around by the store. Even stores that kept good records and paid for a while would, after a few years, end up with inventory left that they never returned or paid for. Sometimes the stores would close and disappear with the inventory. Other times they’d avoid me. Sometimes they’d insist they paid for everything already, and have done such a poor job of documenting what payments were for that it was difficult to tell. Some people just straight up ran their stores like Ponzi schemes - paying off old consignment with sales from new vendors. As an individual artist, I became very wary of consignment as it’s essentially an unsecured loan. Even worse was that some people who faded away and kept inventory were friends and good business partners, and it’s not like I would sue them for $400.
Aurornis 18 hours ago||||
Forgive me if I'm trying to figure out what's going on here. I just read the linked blog and some of the links within, but I don't have time to watch all these long YouTube videos

> The goods were still there, still on display and being sold.

The store says the full inventory was not discoverable at the store. They said the person gave a written statement in the past saying the collection was "moved off site for security reasons" so I don't think this is really as cut and dry as the YouTuber and blogger people are trying to make it look.

> Corporate says, "this is mine now"

Their statement says they located what inventory they could and offered it back.

I think there's a lot more to this story. I wouldn't really trust the YouTube influencers for the whole story.

axus 18 hours ago|||
The store (as managed by the second group) lost the suit, if they were negligent they still owe the consigner. What's missing is the relationship between the second group and the corporate parent. Seems there's some reason the liability from the lawsuit doesn't transfer to the corporation.
Aurornis 17 hours ago||
> The store (as managed by the second group) lost the suit, if they were negligent they still owe the consigner. What's missing is the relationship between the second group and the corporate parent.

This does seem like a very key point that keeps getting ignored for the sake of a simpler story.

Everyone keeps talking about this lawsuit loss, but what lawsuit? Against whom? The article doesn't even explain, but it's starting to look like the lawsuit was against the former owners, contrary to the ragebait "Bricks and Minifigs stole..." title

thevinter 17 hours ago||
The lawsuit was *from* the previous owners against the new owners that kicked them out of the store.

Here's a video from the previous owners explaining their story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zedmOopRTm0

jonlucc 16 hours ago||
I haven't watched this particular video, but I've read her 46 page suit. That's not the case that was lost. The case(s) that were lost are small claims actions made by the YouTuber and 9 of his friends, essentially. They got default judgments from the court on 10 claims each worth $10k. The previous owner's suit was just filed in March of this year, I believe.

Now as for the previous question of who was at the pointy end of those default judgments, I haven't been able to find that answer. I assume they should have named the local franchise as an entity and it's owners individually. Closing the store to avoid paying is arguably a fraudulent transfer of assets, but that would need to be taken to court in an enforcement action.

thevinter 16 hours ago||
Oh yeah sorry, I misunderstood the suit the comment was referring to.

It is my understanding that BAM took direct ownership of the local store and therefore the small claims case was also directed against them, but at the moment I can't find where I've heard that so I'm not 100% sure.

jonlucc 16 hours ago||
According to the former store owner's lawsuit, and what comports with what I've seen in the original video, the store was seized by corporate and then sold quickly to the owners of the Eugene, OR BAM store.
usehand 18 hours ago||||
If that's the case why did they lose the small claims cases?
shadefinale 17 hours ago|||
They lost default judgements because they did not appear. Either they thought it was fake or they thought they'd lose, but they were served and did not appear.
jonlucc 16 hours ago|||
Or they thought that the losses were acceptable to avoid having to make sworn statements about the series of events that are still at issue in the previous owner's case and some events that may very well still be charged by Oregon prosecutors.
eloisant 5 hours ago|||
They didn't even lose any money, because by closing the store the damages were never paid.

It's really depressing to see to be honest.

abirch 3 hours ago|||
I believe they would need to dissolve the business entity. These default judgments against them should count as debt that needs to be paid before the business is closed unless they declare bankruptcy in court and not like Michael Scott.
benjiro3000 3 hours ago|||
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usehand 14 hours ago|||
So they chose to lose a case on merits related to the other case instead of making statements that would help (if they are in the right)?
jonlucc 14 hours ago||
That’s one possibility, yes.
usehand 14 hours ago||
Quantum physics guarantees us anything is a possibility. The question is, is it a likely one at all? And the overwhelmingly likely reasons are obvious to anyone with half a brain, given all the surrounding context here.
usehand 17 hours ago|||
A default judgement is still a loss. Why would not they not fight back small claims cases, which would be trivially easy for someone with their resources, if they could win?
shadefinale 16 hours ago|||
I am not stating that I think B&M would win. B&M's original intent was to force Ed and Ben into a pyrrhic victory via dragging out one lawsuit, even if they lost that one suit.

Without being able to run up Ed/Ben's legal costs, trying to defend these suits at all is just a further loss for B&M for no benefit.

I don't think it was the deciding factor, but Ben also sent a fake Guinness award to the store around the same time they were being served. It is within the realm of possibility that they thought Ben was bluffing with the lawsuits and tried to call his bluff just to find out it was all real after they failed to appear.

usehand 16 hours ago||
Nah, the whole Guinness thing was obviously just a bit for the video. Clearly the franchise would not fall for that, when you can easily check that you were summoned to small claims (and they also probably get some form of direct communication from the court I would guess).

Legal costs for a small claims suit is tiny, and would be easily doable for them if they could win it. Again, there is a reason they lost those cases.

rubyn00bie 16 hours ago||||
They can't even serve papers because they're being relentlessly harassed by Police who have immediately banned them from serving them. In part 2, cops even verify the court case and he has a process server-- but they just refuse to. One of many different cops eventually took the papers to serve them, and ended up coming back saying "he didn't want them."

Additionally, the original business in Kaizer shutdown as soon as the default judgements went through.

bishfish 16 hours ago||
Would it count as being served if bodycam shows that police handed him the papers and he gave them back or tossed them on the floor?
shadefinale 16 hours ago||
According to Ben, the bodycam footage of the officer's attempt to serve the papers is fully redacted, no audio/video at all.
batch12 14 hours ago||
Is there an Uber for process servers? Eventually someone would get through...
altairprime 17 hours ago|||
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usehand 17 hours ago||
I don't know what point you're trying to make. But also please watch the video, they submitted multiple separate claims via different aggrieved parties, this totaled $100k, despite the low individual small claims maxima.
altairprime 17 hours ago||
Ooh, I missed that! I thought I’d watched it a couple days ago but I might have dozed off due to unrelated life tired; will revisit, thanks.
Aurornis 17 hours ago|||
Who is "they"?

Bricks and Minifigs? Or the previous owners?

Do you mind citing your sources at least? The linked article refers to a "lawsuit loss" but doesn't explain who it was against or what it was for.

usehand 17 hours ago||
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Aurornis 17 hours ago||
> You go around this post defending B&M with no knowledge of the basic facts of the case.

I'm not defending anyone. I'm saying the claims don't line up

> I will not do your work for you. Everything I said is true and easily searchable, feel free to look it up.

Everything I quoted was from me looking it up!

usehand 17 hours ago||
You go around claiming the accusations are "just needless YouTube drama" and that you "wouldn't really trust the YouTube influencers for the whole story". If you think this is not defending the company, then you have some basic communications difficulties.

Again, if this is your knowledge after looking it up, then refrain from commenting, as your intelectual limitations will inevitably lead you to make false claims.

14 11 hours ago|||
Reckless Ben's video I would rank as one of the top 3 best YouTube videos I have ever seen. I had never seen this guy before but this video was wild. It's a mix of reporting and trolling and questionable legal tactics. The evidence in the video seems pretty hard to dispute. Of course there is 2 sides to everything but I strongly believe bam is the bad guy here.
throwaway85825 18 hours ago||||
Theft by conversion.
gamblor956 15 hours ago||||
If the consignment contract was not legal then BAM never owned the goods and would not have had the right to sell them.

EDIT: as other commenters point out, BAM actually did lose the lawsuit over this and now the issue is the consigner is trying to collect the judgment. In that case it would normally be irrelevant that the store was a franchise location, because BAM would have become the successor to all liabilities upon taking over the store (in the U.S., at least). With deep pockets BAM could drag out the collections process long enough to try an extract a settlement from the consigner; the risk with doing so though is that interest accrues on the settlement at statutory rates that are normally higher than market rates and they face the possibility of court sanctions for any attempts at delay that have no reasonable legal basis.

warumdarum 17 hours ago||||
Lucky though, you can find somebody with deep pockets to step in and take his share of the case should you win.
busterarm 18 hours ago||||
They were actually getting a 35% share. This is pure greed.
myko 11 hours ago||||
> It seems like theft

It is theft!

apercu 14 hours ago||||
Sounds like theft to me.
scotty79 18 hours ago||||
> It seems like theft, but it's a very common civil contract dispute.

What if he reported theft? Wouldn't they have to prove how did they come into possession of the goods they are selling?

fortran77 18 hours ago||||
> It's not that hard to understand.

FWIW, I couldn't follow it either from the blog.

iwontberude 18 hours ago||||
This is essentially what is going to happen with Monetary Metals (although I hope not!)
brittlepeanut 15 hours ago||||
By this logic, nothing is theft, and everything is just a civil contract dispute.

There is no need for us to accept your sociopathic assertion that the rich should and will win.

Pragmata 8 hours ago|||
> The goods were still there, still on display and being sold.

This appears to be in dispute.

As per bricks and minifigs:

>It was clear the full list of inventory in his documentation was not located in the store. What items could be reasonably identified as allegedly belonging to the consignor was offered back to the consignor, but that offer was refused.

>A deeper dive into the sales receipts uncovered that a significantly higher volume of the listed sets had sold over the course of the consignment deal prior to the store transition.

It appears they are alleging that the prior operator had sold a larger portion of the consigned goods than they had claimed to the family.

mcv 5 hours ago||
Do they have any evidence of those claims? So far, all evidence seems to be against them.
klik99 2 hours ago|||
I read about this previously and had the same reaction - something seems missing, it’s too crazy, this has gotta be just one side of the story. Normal reaction in this media landscape. But this seems to be one of the rare cases that, yes, it really is a case of an edge case of law allowing theft.
yesod 18 hours ago|||
From what I can see: Franchisee entered into a consignment agreement to sell the lego. They were not allowed to do that, so corporate took over the franchise.

BUT rather than unwind the agreement and return the lego, they just kept it. Argued for it to be dealt with legally. It was, they lost, so they closed down the store rather than return the lego.

dbeardsl 18 hours ago|||
> They were not allowed to do that

Incorrect as the article points out with an image of the contract:

> However, it was brought to my attention by site user @luddevig that Chrystal Law, the Bricks & Minifigs Salem-Keizer store's original owner, was able to pull the franchise agreement between her and and the B&M Corperation, that clearly states that consignment is allowed.

yesod 18 hours ago||
Yup, agreed. B&M making every PR screwup you'd expect!
abirch 4 hours ago||
They hired a PR firm that was looking at the base case and those averages. As Nassim Taleb points out, we live in Extremestan. No idea what the value was of the Bricks and Minifigs, but I'd be shocked if it hasn't dropped by 2 or 4 million dollars. Their biggest moat was their reputation.
usehand 18 hours ago||||
According to the former franchise owner this is a lie from corporate and they were indeed allowed to sign consignment agreements. They showed a contract that says as much as evidence.
sylos 18 hours ago|||
Incorrect.
waltwalther 12 hours ago|||
New video from the previous franchise owners gives more details:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zedmOopRTm0

rib3ye 9 hours ago|||
The Reckless Ben video is the best thing I've seen on youtube in the last several years.
itsalwayscults 5 hours ago||
We really need an eccentric billionaire going around trolling all sorts of petty legal trolling. Ben is actively making the world a better place with this, and every person with a networth worth a damn is barely a toenail the man he is.

I didn't know Ben dealt with cults until he revealed he started the "Scientology Sucks" religion, but as soon as the cops started baiting him into agreeing they had cause for arrest, I instantly guessed he had completely accidentally walked right into another cult corruption video. If I had a penny for the amounts of times I saw this exact type of cult discovery happen, I'd have 4, which is a pattern -> ALL cults are corrupt.

sylos 18 hours ago|||
The store owner was allowed to sell things on consignment.
underlipton 18 hours ago|||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ktgvoH4Mc has a good overview.
mx7zysuj4xew 12 hours ago|||
Yeah, it's textbook theft by conversion
aaron695 16 hours ago|||
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Aurornis 18 hours ago||
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usehand 18 hours ago|||
You seem to be all over this thread trying to defend the company LOL Are you B&M corporate? If they have such a solid case, why did they lose the small claims lawsuits?
komali2 17 hours ago|||
Also, what about the false police reports leading to police brutality?
usehand 17 hours ago||
They havent seen any of that! It is so hard to find... No one has time for that when large corp must be defended.
Aurornis 17 hours ago|||
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Burj 15 hours ago|||
If you insist on not watching the "really long youtube videos" youll unfortunately have to settle for taking our word for it

There were 10x small claims cases against i believe the single franchise (L2 Bricks LLC iirc) which were won by default and might not stick due to them going chapter 11

usehand 17 hours ago|||
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ryandrake 17 hours ago|||
You'd think that if there was a side of the story where the details exonerated the company, you'd think they would share those details. If they moved someone else's property out of the store, then surely they would be able to share evidence supporting this.

All we have to go by is the blogger's account, so that's the story. Just saying "there must be more to it" without evidence that there is more to it, is just vague speculation.

fc417fc802 16 hours ago|||
It's not vague speculation when there's obvious holes in the narrative being presented. I'm inclined to assume corporate is in the wrong here but I'm not going to blindly accept accusations when it's clear that key details have been left out.
usehand 16 hours ago||
There aren't obvious holes. Most or all of what's been claimed as holes have just been straight up lies from B&M
sparky_z 15 hours ago||
As someone who has only read the article, there are absolutely glaring holes in it that made me suspicious while reading it. For example, they refer to the cops being "presented with a version of events favorable to the store". But it never tells you what that alternate version of events was! That's a hole.
usehand 14 hours ago|||
Well, yes, if someone doesn't care to look for the full story then there will be holes almost by definition.

The common accepted meaning of "holes in a story" is not "I don't know the facts", but "the story itself is misleading or incomplete".

fc417fc802 13 hours ago||
Yes, the story as presented here to us is incomplete. It's not our job to go research it. It's the author's job to recount the facts in a clear, objective, and reasonably complete manner. Failing that the work will be rightfully criticized. Perhaps HN isn't the correct target audience for this piece? Your own conduct in this comment section certainly hasn't been in keeping with the cultural norms for the site.

I couldn't say whether or not the work is misleading but I tend to assume guilt until proven otherwise under circumstances such as these. Of course that cuts both ways, I assume all parties involved to be misrepresenting things by default whenever there's drama. It's on them to prove otherwise to my satisfaction if they wish to convince me of anything.

fc417fc802 13 hours ago|||
Beyond glaring omissions such as that one there's conflicting information between the linked article and what commenters here say the various linked videos contain. The article also lacks the necessary level of detail regarding the various legal claims, counterclaims, and entities involved which in this case are absolutely essential to understanding what's actually going on.

I'm inclined to believe that there's corporate wrongdoing but the piece itself comes across as a blatant attempt to stir up drama as opposed to objectively informing the reader. It's certainly not the sort of thing I come to HN for.

paulddraper 12 hours ago|||
> if there was a side of the story where the details exonerated the company, you'd think they would share those details

Here is that side, published last week: https://bricksandminifigs.com/blog/blog/2026/05/21/salem-ore...

And some further elaboration today: https://bricksandminifigs.com/blog/blog/2026/05/28/bricks-mi...

usehand 9 hours ago||
Besides the overall lack of information in these, they were also found to be lying in them
krisoft 8 hours ago||
Tell us more please. Especially specifics about where do you see lies.
rdtsc 17 hours ago||
> Bricks & Minifigs CEO Ammon McNeff is a graduate of Brigham Young University. Joshua Johnson and Brandon Best are, by public record and documented account, members of the LDS community. When Reckless Ben's team, following the pattern of obstruction by local law enforcement, looked into the individual officers involved in these incidents, they found that multiple officers were also BYU alumni.

I thought “it has to be some kind of corruption here”. And yup it’s the mormon mafia apparently

conartist6 17 hours ago||
Honestly that pattern of actions by law enforcement was the most disturbing thing. There was a moment where they knew this person was present at a private property to serve a warrant in a legitimate lawsuit. Clearly the right and moral action for the police at that moment was to help serve the papers AND then escort the litigant from the property. They chose to behave more like mobsters than defenders of the public trust, like they were taking over responsibility from the courts
sleepybrett 15 hours ago|||
when people say that the police are there to enforce laws to protect capital, this is what they mean.
rithdmc 4 hours ago||
This is the main reason I read comment threads on law enforcement stuff on HN. There's a bunch of people trying to square their opinion of policing ("protect and serve") with the reality of policing ("protect and serve the wealth").
63 13 hours ago|||
My understanding is that 50% of people in the state of Utah are mormon. I'm not saying there wasn't corruption, but it could very well be pure chance with those odds.
rdtsc 11 hours ago||
If cops are pulling over another person from Utah probably not a big deal but when dealing with an outsider from out of state the situation is different.
helterskelter 9 hours ago||
I can personally attest to this, along with many of my friends and family.

I've driven hundreds of extra miles per trip going around that damned state.

zhivota 3 hours ago||
Hate to break it to you but the Mormon belt extends well up into Idaho (probably all the way to Montana on the East side) and down into Arizona, and diffuses out quite far from there. Probably need to go through Montana or skirt the Mexican border areas to avoid it, but border areas these days come with their own issues self created by our government...

I lived in Idaho Falls (well within the majority Mormon area that extends farther North at least to Rexburg) and never had an issue, but I definitely knew I was not part of the club.

jasonfarnon 15 hours ago|||
Do you know all these involved parties aren't mormons in some mormon area/mormon company? Eg the old guy, the franchisee?
paulddraper 11 hours ago|||
> multiple officers were also BYU alumni

American Fork, UT is literally 10 miles from Brigham Young University, and BYU represents 1/4th of the state's bachelors degrees.

It's a bit like saying police officers in Italy are Catholic. I'd be more surprised if they weren't tbh.

(Disclaimer: I live near that area and also graduated from BYU.)

rendall 10 hours ago|||
Yeah, as a non-Mormon, I agree. I think the Mormon connection is a paranoid distraction. The behavior of the police can be explained by the same kind of corrupt-small-town-police-defending-locals-from-outsiders behavior that happens across the country.
thaumasiotes 5 hours ago||
> The behavior of the police can be explained by the same kind of corrupt-small-town-police-defending-locals-from-outsiders behavior that happens across the country.

Mormons aren't implicated, but I fail to see how this can explain the behavior of the Oregon police.

gosub100 8 hours ago|||
Stereotyping and bigotry are accepted if done against Christians.
Jeffbeans 3 hours ago|||
Ki Mcallister was also BYU
eff-nix 17 hours ago||
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rdtsc 16 hours ago|||
Absolutely, if they all belonged to the same atheist society and performed the same rituals together etc.
eff-nix 16 hours ago||
Do we have evidence these people did fellowship together?
rdtsc 16 hours ago||
They belong to the same organization, don’t they?
eff-nix 10 hours ago|||
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kjs3 15 hours ago|||
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NetMageSCW 14 hours ago|||
Guilty by their actions. Motivations bu association.
wredcoll 13 hours ago|||
This is delightfully well put.
kjs3 14 hours ago|||
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throwaway85825 14 hours ago||||
Their actions, in association here are at issue.
kjs3 14 hours ago||
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alasdair_ 12 hours ago|||
Next you’ll be telling us the shocking news that one of the parties used EMAIL!
wredcoll 13 hours ago|||
Ha ha, nobody real uses youtube right, not like presidential addresses go out on youtube....
geekone 12 hours ago||||
would you rather it phrased they are guilty and associated with the same religion? what's the gripe here?
z3c0 14 hours ago|||
Yes, actually, a bunch of people of the same religion (cult, really), university, and now, organized theft, are indeed guilty by association. I'm glad you see it too.
kjs3 14 hours ago||
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z3c0 12 hours ago||
You seem to deeply misunderstand how juries work. It's an assortment of peoples for a reason.
mijoharas 16 hours ago||||
Yes. Wouldn't you?
eff-nix 16 hours ago||
No.
protocolture 16 hours ago||||
If their atheist affiliation had a pattern of this exact behaviour, that had been documented even so far as how it had corrupted the FBI.

https://academic.oup.com/california-scholarship-online/book/...

Why yes, 6 day old account, I would say the same in that scenario. Thanks for playing.

eks391 10 hours ago||
Without an account with the journal, all I could read was the abstract, but it didn't hint to me that they corrupted the FBI, whatever that means, but have a high representation within the FBI.

Someone recently told me that when he worked for the BLM, there was a lot of LDS folk, which reinforced my observation that they are overrepresented in federal jobs in general (I have no evidence for this, just several anecdotes). I assumed it is because they usually don't smoke marijuana, so they are more likely to be eligible. That abstract gave more compelling possibilities that I didn't think of, that don't seem conspiratorial, like the higher multilingual likelihood at concentrated places like BYU, making it a great spot for recruiting.

Does the article go into more detail on how they "corrupted" the FBI that is not easily explained by them simply being ideal FBI hires?

protocolture 9 hours ago|||
I have read multiple accounts from insiders that were effectively:

1. LDS members can be obligated to provide each other jobs where possible.

2. LDS members (especially of the same congregation) are obligated to not report on each other to non LDS authorities.

And these factors made it sort of an invasion, where after a couple of likely competent LDS members started to make towards the top of government hierarchies, they started ballooning these organisations with their compatriots. Theres been a heap of money spent changing the public perception of this towards "Oh actually Mormons make great public sector employees because they dont drink".

You wont find much for this outside of books usually from retired spooks or journalists who involve themselves in that area.

But the issues have occasionally spilled over to public notice.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/10/02/Former-FBI-agent-tes...

grosswait 4 hours ago||
Please stop spreading misinformation. Neither assertion is remotely true. Affinity groups naturally form in an organization when enough are present, and this applies to all peoples and cultures. It doesn’t mean there is some mandate from some authority.
eff-nix 10 hours ago|||
Exactly. The abstract essentially says “these people make for great employees for X Y Z reasons, but many people look at that and come up with conspiracy theories based on it”. Then the Parent says “look the research agrees with me!”
fragmede 17 hours ago|||
Depends. Do the atheists of your region have literal physical temples where they hold weekly ceremonies and tithings to a central coordinating organization that goes back almost 200 years?
eff-nix 16 hours ago||
They all pay taxes, if that’s what you mean. I’m not seeing how the deity is relevant.
fragmede 16 hours ago||
What's the weekly gathering (usually Sunday morning) the organization they pay taxes to hold?
eff-nix 16 hours ago||
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rithdmc 4 hours ago|||
idk about you, but I don't pay my taxes to sports authorities.

The sports authorities get my gambling losses.

fragmede 16 hours ago||||
Where do you live that weekly public sports competitions is possibly, "idk", a function of the organization that collects taxes?
eff-nix 10 hours ago||
Public schools have sports teams. Your property taxes pay for those, among other things.

If a few hockey players were in a crime I wouldn’t be spouting nonsense about hockey mafias. And that’s a cohort less than one on thousandth the size.

jrflowers 15 hours ago|||
Mormons don’t go to temple every week. That would be an impossible logistical nightmare
sapphicsnail 13 hours ago||
I think the parent meant church. Most people aren't aware of the different functions of LDS churches, temples, and wards.
artnanika 19 hours ago||
The best part about this is that the CEO insists that the agreement with the previous store owner is null (thus relieving him of the burden of paying 200k), and yet he also insists on keeping the Lego collection set and selling it. It's comical.
shadefinale 18 hours ago||
From what I understand ownership of the Lego sets never left the Mansells. The consignment agreement states as much.

Even if we take what corporate says at face value (there was no agreement, or the agreement is null, or it's an agreement that the previous owners agreed to) that still just means that the store possesses property that they do not legally own. Whether or not they legally came to possess the sets seems irrelevant here.

I'm not a lawyer but I don't see how the Mansells ever stopped owning the lego sets.

jonlucc 16 hours ago|||
I watched a video from a lawyer who was explaining some of the legal aspects of this debacle, and this one stuck out. Basically, if the Mansells had filed a form with the Oregon Secretary of State, they would have a much simpler claim. That form basically just says "X company is holding Y merchandise that is mine for consignment". Because they (likely) didn't do that, the process for determining their ownership may be more complicated in certain events, and closure of the store might be on that list. Reasons the new owners and BAM corporate are screwed: 1) they made statements during the seizure of the store that they are aware of the consignment and that will transfer to them 2) they were made aware of the consignment in writing by Mansell in a letter terminating the agreement and demanding return of the merchandise after a missed payment in Nov 2025 3) they sold a set from Mansell's collection after 1 & 2 to one of Mansell's confederates 4) they knowingly removed stickers placed on the collection by the previous store owner to identify it as part of the collection

Even if the consignment was undone, they don't get to just keep the collection. The agreement can almost certainly be terminated, but the collection would then be returned to Mansell.

hparadiz 15 hours ago||
Oregon case law comes off looking terrible here. Who would want to do business in this environment?
jonlucc 14 hours ago|||
In what way? It’s not a local concern that when you buy a business you get its obligations. That’s pretty common.
itsalwayscults 5 hours ago||||
Their B2B goods exchange tax is 0.

That would be why.

madaxe_again 8 hours ago|||
Mormons who have Mormon friends in the judiciary.
DrammBA 17 hours ago||||
I believe that's the one thing BAM refuses to acknowledge, they have no legal possesion of the lego sets, that's the beginning and end of it. They are trying their damnest to hide that fact behind a consignment/contract/franchise/corporate/arrests/heroin/lawsuit curtain of smoke.
everforward 17 hours ago|||
> I'm not a lawyer but I don't see how the Mansells ever stopped owning the lego sets.

The store declares bankruptcy, and corporate is a prioritized creditor. From a certain view, based on the consignment contract means they wanted money, and I could see an argument that they're really owed $200k rather than the physical legos. Ie they're effectively just another creditor, and probably not a prioritized one.

"Ownership" gets very odd when you hand goods over to someone with the expectation that you'll never see those goods again, but will get money. It gets even weirder when that someone ceases to be a legal entity, and the goods are now in possession of someone you never had an agreement with. The store obviously has an obligation to hand over either money or the goods, but it's not clear that obligation is transient to anyone that ends up with the goods.

shadefinale 16 hours ago|||
I don't know how effective the wording of the original consignment agreement would end up if tested in a suit. It reads "Consigned merchandise shall remain the property of Mansell until sold".

On the other hand, without the agreement, how can one prove the expectation that the goods were handed over with, at all? Without establishing that expectation wouldn't the ownership of the goods just stay with the original owner at all times?

It would make sense that there are some ways you can abandon property you own in a way that someone else can swoop up and take ownership it without having to give it back, but do any of those potentially apply here?

dugidugout 16 hours ago|||
> The store obviously has an obligation to hand over either money or the goods, but it's not clear that obligation is transient to anyone that ends up with the goods.

It is extremely clear. You are just detailing the buffer being used to pretend otherwise.

ChrisRR 5 hours ago|||
It's not even paying 200k. It's returning the sets that haven't been sold. They hadn't paid for the sets, they just hold them in stock until they're sold
pluc 3 hours ago|||
"This agreement is null and void except for this part that works in my favour"
retired 16 hours ago|||
Would a simple audit not completely destroy this case?

"How did you acquire these sets?"

"Uhm... don't know they just appeared out of nowhere"

Straight to jail.

fancyfredbot 5 hours ago||
It goes more like:

"How did you acquire these sets?"

"We acquired them from the previous franchisee when we purchased the store. Here's the contract we signed to acquire the store and contents, here's the payment we made"

"Okay thanks that checks out"

retired 3 hours ago||
There wasn't a signed contract with the previous franchisee from what I can see.

And even then, the trail audit goes further as the previous franchisee didn't have a proof of purchase of $200k of inventory.

BloondAndDoom 27 minutes ago||
How is there “justice” if everyone knows the party with less money cannot get into a legal battle?

How is then America free and democratic? I’m not American and I’m very confused by this and also the concept of bail money.

spencerflem 5 minutes ago|
Haha, good catch- we’re not.
999900000999 6 hours ago||
Way to do millions of dollars in PR damage over 200k.

As this story spreads people will just assume the whole chain is bad.

The bigger story is an elderly man needing to sell his toys to pay for cancer treatment.

We could give all people free cancer treatment, but defense contractors need money.

Schmerika 4 hours ago||
> people will just assume the whole chain is bad.

The whole chain is bad.

We're far past the point where the company bigwigs should have fixed this. It's not like they don't know.

> The bigger story is an elderly man needing to sell his toys to pay for cancer treatment.

Idk. Straight up corporate theft of $200k, backed up by the cops, is a more visceral story than 'yet another person merked by our predatory healthcare system'.

> We could give all people free cancer treatment, but defense contractors need money.

Yes, and that's important - but there are unique aspects to this story which shouldn't be overshadowed by the higher priority problem for the nation. The immediate problem for this elderly cancer patient isn't going to be solved by Americans suddenly realising that they have people power - but getting his Legos back might save his life.

rithdmc 4 hours ago||
I think it's more visceral, but a smaller story. 'yet another person merked by our predatory healthcare system' is a headline that will be relevant again, with new participants, tomorrow, or next week.

This headline about star wars lego? Less so.

Schmerika 4 hours ago||
> a smaller story

Sure. Any one person's story will be smaller than the whole picture - is that your whole point? What are you proposing - that we ignore stories like this until we fix healthcare?

Because if that's not what you're saying, why bring it up as if one cancer patient's life and property rights aren't important (even beyond tomorrow and next week)?

> 'yet another person merked by our predatory healthcare system' is a headline that will be relevant again, with new participants, tomorrow, or next week.

And so will corporate theft, and bureaucratic Kafkaesque nightmares, and police corruption, etc. There's no lack of overlapping evil to look at here.

Individual stories are still important and relevant, and ignoring them to look at the bigger picture is like ignoring water to look at the ocean.

rithdmc 3 hours ago||
> is that your whole point? What are you proposing - that we ignore stories like this until we fix healthcare?

IMO that's a pretty antagonistic read of my comment. GP said 'bigger story', you said 'visceral story'. In no way do I read myself or the GP dismissing the B&M story - quite the opposite, as GP says, noting "millions of dollars in PR damage" doesn't sound like ignoring something.

The second half of my comment was criticizing the news cycle, and its preference for unique headlines.

Schmerika 3 hours ago||
Apologies for reading your comment in an antagonistic way, but, I couldn't find a better way to read it. If you're saying that it was just about adding context, okay, but I think there's a way to do that with out painting this a "smaller story" that will be forgotten about "tomorrow or next week".

A guy is dying from cancer and unable to get treated because a $400m company stole his unique $200k life-long Lego collection ... That is a smaller story than America's murderous healthcare system - but until the guy's situation is corrected, no amount of media coverage is too little.

America's media failures also are a critical piece of the picture, but as written your comment reads as if painting this as a forgettable little story about Star Wars lego:

>This headline about star wars lego? Less so.

... I'm glad to hear that wasn't how you meant it.

ChrisRR 5 hours ago||
I totally don't get it. If I were the head of corporate I would've just given them the sets back to avoid all of the backlash.
mcv 5 hours ago||
But you're not. The head of corporate is someone who thought he could get away with this. And almost did, until Reckless Ben showed up.
_zoltan_ 5 hours ago||
but ... they did get away with it? based on the blog post, it ends with the store closure? (which I don't understand why)
gwd 4 hours ago|||
If you search for "Bricks and minifigs", every result apart from their main website is about this controversy. One of the values of a franchise is the branding; at least for the forseeable future, this will be a negative value. For a company that serves a small niche community, this seems like suicide.
mcv 2 hours ago||||
It seems they closed the store rather than give back the lego. That seems like a win of sorts, because I'm sure it hurts B&M to some degree, but it's not getting the stolen lego back.

I've now also seen part 2, in which the amount of police harassment that B&M seems to be able to bring to bear is absolutely disgusting.

wgjordan 1 hour ago|||
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getnormality 1 hour ago||
I read the counterclaims from Bricks and Minifigs here:

https://bricksandminifigs.com/blog/blog/2026/05/28/bricks-mi...

This post and TFA have a common issue: no one seems to have a clear, compellingly evidenced account of basic questions about the collection and its history under consignment:

1. What exactly was in the collection?

2. What happened to the collection after it was consigned: which sets were sold, which were stolen or lost, which were moved to off-site storage, etc.?

3. How much money did the original franchise owner owe the consigner for the sets sold?

The peripheral claims about e.g. police malfeasance are disturbing, but without this basic evidence about the substance of the matter, I don't know if it's a great idea for an online mob to take sides.

abirch 47 minutes ago||
You're right that we don't have the facts. That said, the way that Bricks and Minifigs handled this has been horrible. The CEO should have said on camera that he's willing to work with the lego owner to return the property and to work with police to charge the former franchise owner with theft.

If you see this clip, this is when corporate was removing the previous franchisee https://youtu.be/wscQpkcwgNU?si=_k_EDfs4NmO5riB5&t=126

Ovah 1 hour ago|||
Have you seen the youtube videos? They paint a pretty clear picture.
solenoid0937 1 hour ago||
Seems like the ex-franchisee, Chrystal Law, essentially stole the sets and still has possession of them in some off-site location.

TBH the fact that Chrystal was not making payments and the store had to forcibly repossess the store, points to her being the problem.

Ovah 57 minutes ago||
You are more or less accusing a named individual of severe crimes without much to back it up.
mattmaroon 13 hours ago||
I just don’t understand why a company with $95m in sales would steal $200k. That’s a fraction of a percent of sales for the year.

There’s now a boycott against them that will easily cost them more than that.

If the case is as this blog says, it cannot be hard to find a lawyer to do this one pro bono. Breach of contract is one of the few things in America where you can sue for your legal fees. If you take over a business you assume it’s contracts even though your name wasn’t on them. You gain anything the business owns but a consignment shop doesn’t own the inventory.

BAM is going to lose millions and for what? Is this article just wrong on substantial facts? Simple greed wouldn’t explain this as it will almost certainly lead to far less money, even in a short period, than returning it.

Something must be missing.

jmcgough 8 hours ago||
I have a family member who works in estate planning. From all the stories he's told me, a lot of wealthy people compulsively screw over people / refuse to follow the contract they agreed to / etc, simply because they can and know that it is too expensive for most people to file a lawsuit.
fancyfredbot 5 hours ago|||
I agree with you. It makes no rational sense for the corporation to act this way. I can see how they end up losing a court case but can't explain why they don't pay up.

It sounds like the first franchise collapsed owing money. I expect the company had created strong incentives for employees to claw that back. Someone has followed those incentives against the interest of the corporation. This happens all the time although in this case they break the law.

Eventually there's a lawsuit and a lot more people get involved including people without any incentive to do illegal things. However those involved originally present some varnished version of the truth (to avoid getting fired!) the company trusts this version of events. They decide to fight the case in court.

Then they lose the case. Those who decided to fight it realise they made a bad choice and they now look bad too. It's at this point that the weirdest thing happens. Why do they choose to close the store instead of paying up? My guess is that it became personal for someone.

amiga386 3 hours ago|||
> It sounds like the first franchise collapsed owing money.

It did not, the franchisees simply wanted out because they were offered better paid work overseas.

They told corporate they wanted to sell the franchise back to them, as they say they wanted to recoup their investment in the franchise before they left the USA.

Corporate arrived the same day and started saying the franchise owes them $200,000, didn't inventory the franchise, terminated their franchise that day, seized the franchise that same day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ktgvoH4Mc&t=590s

I don't have the facts about who's right about that, but that corporate behaviour seems remarkably aggressive and fishy to me.

K0balt 4 hours ago|||
It’s a farcical notion that people are uniformly rational actors, as well as the notion that rational is adjacent to just.

It’s an unfortunate fact that many people in positions of wealth and power default to “F-you my lawyers will drown you and I will win” in every single case, regardless of merit.

Many times, that is the singular strategy that has put them in that position of wealth and power. Many times, they apply this strategy to every situation where they already possess an asset or service for which they have not paid, and that asset or service is valued higher than an ongoing good faith relationship with the person or entity that they owe for the asset or service that they received.

It’s a wholly predatory strategy but it can be a very rational calculus, and it can propel you to the very pinnacle of wealth and power. Its continuously surprising to plebs because it goes against the fantasy of the fundamental justice of society that they have been inculcated with, a convenient lie that keeps powerless people in their lane and justifies the use of police powers to protect the criminal activity of the owner class.

I say this as a member of the owner class. I try not to be one of those people, but it’s easy to see justice as an unnecessary and frivolous expense. I’d estimate that a significant fraction of my peers are in this category, and nearly everyone else occasionally dabbles, often without even being aware of it as their lawyers push in that direction.

Ultimately, it’s a side effect of obscene inequality. I don’t know how to fix it, much less how to make the world somehow intrinsically just. IMHO there is no justice except the justice we go out of our way to create. Justice is not the natural state of the world.

fancyfredbot 3 hours ago||
I agree people and especially corporations act this way. Indeed many people believe that it's a corporation's fiduciary duty to lawyer up if that's expected to be cheaper than paying up.

Here, they are looking at small amounts of money, but they close a store, which presumably involves writing down an asset and forgoing future revenue. This only gives them a small chance of avoiding payment and risks the reputation of the entire firm.

The earlier decisions all fit the narrative of coldly rational, but I find the final decision to close the store doesn't fit. It's almost impossible to imagine how it ends well for the corporation.

K0balt 2 hours ago||
I agree. At face value it seems reactive and wonky.
TrackerFF 3 hours ago|||
My take is that this all comes down to the stores being franchises.

Yes, franchisor hold a lot of power, and in the big picture the franchisees are small owners and a move like this ($200k of merch they haven't paid a dime for) can affect the PnL quite a lot on the local level. It seems like the average Bricks and Minifigs franchise store has annual revenue of just $600k. At that's revenue. Another search shows that their margins are around 10%-20%

If these franchise owners managed to pull of this, and sell the collection for $200k on top of the expected annual revenue, that would put their store margin for that year around 45%-55%!

I'm guessing Bricks and Minifigs, the corporation, just assumed this would fly quietly under the radar, and let their franchisees.

I think it just comes down to greed. A couple of franchisees figured they could make a killing, and become one of the most profitable franchise stores with no effort.

passive 13 hours ago||
Because this isn't the first collection they've stolen from someone, presumably.

It's a lot easier to become a really successful company if you can keep your inventory costs down. Perhaps by investing in local law enforcement instead, to make sure no one looks too close at said inventory?

Donald Trump is famous for not paying even really cheap contractor bills, because he knew he could get away with it.

mcv 5 hours ago||
This is the answer. They thought they could get away with it. And from what I understand, they nearly did, because the original victim couldn't afford the risk of a lengthy and expensive lawsuit.
prepend 4 hours ago||
How is this company, BAM Franchising Inc, valued at $400M?

They aren’t publicly traded so it’s hard to find out.

It seems like there’s almost no employees and they collect a franchising fee and 6% royalty on the 200+ franchises that BAM claims makes $570k average annual revenue [0].

.06 x 570k x 200 = 6,840,00

So not sure how a $400M valuation comes from $7M/year in revenue.

And this is revenue, who knows what the profit is.

Still, I was surprised there’s 200 franchisees.

[0] https://franchise.bricksandminifigs.com/the-financials/

pwillia7 17 minutes ago||
This guy should call the ACLU -- The cops' behavior might get them involved here.
pinkmuffinere 18 hours ago|
This YouTube video covers it with much more detail, and (imo) more entertainment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wscQpkcwgNU
throw101010 17 hours ago||
And if you want a (less entertaining but very interesting) legal analysis of the various legal tricks Ben used in this video Lawful Masses with Leonard French has just released this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ktgvoH4Mc

Some of the people in this thread making very definitive claims about consignments contracts without considering this specific jurisdictions should watch it... the victims here could have had an almost open and shut case if they did a bit more paperwork (and paid $20), as there is an exception for consignments over $1000 that gave some undue leverage to that corporation.

morganw 16 hours ago|||
+1: I'm so glad I happened to watch Mr. French's video first.
eloisant 6 hours ago|||
It's just as depressing as the other one, it shows that BAM knows exactly how to abuse the law to get away with stealing.
gblargg 6 hours ago|||
I tried the other person's videos and had to stop after about five seconds. Mr. French's was a good watch.
rendall 11 hours ago||||
Big, if true. Mansel received ineffective counsel from several lawyers, because no lawyers he initially consulted mentioned this form.
thaumasiotes 4 hours ago|||
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ogig 17 hours ago||
That's the original material and indeed is entertaining, part 2 is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxZPfj8AlmY
qingcharles 15 hours ago|||
If you like Part 2 (it shows the most egregious police misconduct I've seen in the USA in a while) then please consider Ben's Patreon where he will post Part 3 next week. The Part 2 is technically "paywalled" but the link has leaked. I think everyone needs to see Part 2 as it really blows the story fully open.

His Patreon:

https://www.patreon.com/RecklessBen

The latest updates on the whole scenario are happening here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RecklessBen/

natureiskino 13 hours ago|||
Holy mother of God this seems like one of those landmark cases by the looks of what's going on. So much rot in there... Bro also fled to Mexico, they could even make a movie out of this.
wilburx3 1 hour ago||
100% would watch the shit out of this movie
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