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Posted by mhalle 4 hours ago

Proposed new US funding rules: We can cancel any grant at any time(arstechnica.com)
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insane_dreamer 1 hour ago|
I'm very involved in obtaining and performing on gov grants, and I can say pretty categorically the US is going from the best place to do science, to possibly the worst (in developed democratic countries). And we're only 1.5 years into this shit show.

(Unless you're doing science for military development. Then the funding spigot is open.)

And to those who say "oh, it's the same as it was before, just different ideologies" -- no, it is not at all the same. Not even comparable.

ChrisArchitect 3 hours ago||
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48331511
ck2 3 hours ago||
if the Dems don't also take back the Senate, this country is done

it will take longer than this decade, maybe even next, to restore the brain loss and faith in secure jobs for research

basically this country will just become a highway of non-stop warehouses, alternating ICE prisons vs "AI" datacenters

science, medicine, all research and development just gone to other countries

soraminazuki 1 hour ago||
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SadErn 1 hour ago|||
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jmclnx 4 hours ago||
I am sure China is loving what the US/Trump is doing. Already China is about to take the lead in medical research and I think it is ahead in renewable energy.

With this, I guess the US will end up as a third rate country much quicker.

Carioca 3 hours ago||
A friend in a prestigious European university said that applications were up in basically all fields
danielbln 3 hours ago|||
Berlin "boutique" tech consultancy, we are seeing a noticable increase in Israeli and US engineers into our hiring pipeline. The braindrain from the autocratic countries is real.
3683826312819 2 hours ago||
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NordStreamYacht 3 hours ago|||
Win win for Europe and the USA, both get what they want.
gwerbin 3 hours ago||
I think most Americans, if polled, would prefer to be the global hub of scientific research, instead of an isolated silo of research that only follows a politically approved agenda.
footy 3 hours ago|||
They were polled, on election day. Most Americans want this, or didn't care enough to stop it. Potato, potahto.
folkrav 2 hours ago|||
This idea that the only way a citizen can disagree what their government is doing is by voting on election day needs to die.
gwerbin 1 hour ago|||
It's the same old "vote with your dollar/feet" solecism, applied to politics.
chadgpt3 2 hours ago|||
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amanaplanacanal 2 hours ago||||
I would guess that if you polled voters on election Day, and asked them why they voted for Trump, science funding wouldn't even come up as a topic. They would probably talk about high prices, or criminal aliens, or how they didn't like Harris.
chadgpt3 2 hours ago|||
They voted for a massive grab-bag of obviously bad stuff. They may not have examined every single item in it, but they obviously wanted this style of bad stuff to happen. This action is aligned with their revealed preferences.
gwerbin 1 hour ago||
That was kind of my point. They actively voted for a lot of bad stuff, but it was framed in a very different way. They voted for things like ending the tyranny of woke liberalism, and believe that end is so essential to achieve that it justifies essentially abandoning the rule of law. What they did not vote for is the long-term consequences of supporting that position.
krior 2 hours ago|||
Doesn't change the fact that the US voted for this.
sanid 2 hours ago|||
Were they? I thought they also voted for the "No new wars" guys. Oh wait
ToucanLoucan 3 hours ago|||
I mean they might well prefer it, and a lot of other things, but the Republicans have done such an incredible job propagandizing everyone into "guvernment bad" thinking that they refuse to pay for it, because (mostly) Republicans have spent decades running on a platform of how the Government sucks and can't do anything, to get elected, and then set about making their Government suck and not be able to do anything. Then they go home and tell their dumbass constituents about how nothing in the Government works, and they're so propagandized against any reasonable sources of information they believe them, and vote for them, and rinse and repeat.

They've been doing this for like 70 years at this point and it's frankly a testament to how strong our institutions were that they're still kind of functioning, in the same way a 1999 Corolla you haven't gotten an oil change on since the Clinton admin is still kind of functioning.

And no I'm not going to do the song and dance for both sides. Yes, plenty of Democrats suck and I would love to see them ousted, but by and large the party consistently in power when the U.S. is in decline of it's own making is the Right. Something something facts don't care about your feelings.

mountainriver 2 hours ago|||
That’s why they put on such a big parade for him. Trump is essentially the fulfillment of their strategy, and is easily played by stroking his ego
micromacrofoot 3 hours ago||
if you wait by the river long enough the bodies of your enemies will float by
wileydragonfly 3 hours ago||
Remember when the director of NIH, an unlicensed MD, lied to congress two months ago and swore the award letters were coming? I do.
shevy-java 1 hour ago||
Trump is like a modern day Al Capone, but with dementia.

All those cancel-at-any-moment-in-time or ICE gunning down US citizens or "war versus Iran", next day no war, nope, it is war, no, it is not. Dementia ruling here. At the same time a few pocket away tons of money. This is like the chaos version of game, but ... stupid.

It's also interesting how quickly the USA becomes a de-facto country run by a mafia. Granted, this was obvious to many people for decades, and history shows that too, but it is fascinating how few internal blocks they have to a dementia king. It is like the ultimate pillage crew. How much money can they pillage? Anyone still remember Epstein by the way? How did he have that much money? Only two people organised sexy parties with the superrich? That story makes sense to anyone? Why is only Ghislaine in prison? Seems a bit bold to claim two people organised naughty parties involving underage people for the superrich.

Yeah, the USA has a few problems here ... thankfully dementia king is in bad health, but eyeliner-boy may simply take over without an election. Best democracy ever ...

swordlucky666 1 hour ago||
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academia101 3 hours ago||
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amazingamazing 3 hours ago||
Hasn’t the government always had final say on grants?

Also it really is sad to see “Hacker” News be “World News”. More Zig and less White House, please. Redditors have infiltrated. The rate of political posts have increased dramatically since 2016 election.

Chinjut 2 hours ago||
Very sad to see Hacker News discussing science funding. This has nothing to do with the hacker ethos of maximizing corporate profit.
amazingamazing 2 hours ago||
Yeah it is as if this website is by a VC.
dgellow 1 hour ago||
you have strong opinions about this place for someone who joined less than 2 years ago... In my >13y active on HN I can tell you politics has always been present. It's just more likely for political topics to end up in flamewar, meaning they will get down ranked quickly. In general those stories don't stay long in the front page
amazingamazing 1 hour ago||
I have been here longer than you. I just rotate accounts after around 1000 karma (this account will be thrown away too soon)
dgellow 1 hour ago|||
If that's the case how are you confused by the content in HN front-page?
amazingamazing 9 minutes ago||
I am not confused. Sad. Go analyze the front pages for yourself with llm, it is becoming more political.
the_gastropod 22 minutes ago|||
My Canadian girlfriend, who’s totally real, by the way, believes you.
jfengel 2 hours ago|||
They've always had the final say on issuing grants, but it was handled by career scientists rather than political appointees. Canceling grants in process is extremely rare.

Since many of those grants concern science and tech it does seem relevant to this site.

amazingamazing 2 hours ago||
True, but that is democracy for you.
jfengel 2 hours ago|||
It sure was.
intended 2 hours ago|||
I think Mike Masnick said it best here:

> " Why Techdirt Is Now A Democracy Blog (Whether We Like It Or Not)"

> ...but a few asked questions regarding what Techdirt is focused on these days, and how much we were leaning into covering “politics.”

> When the very institutions that made American innovation possible are being systematically dismantled, it’s not a “political” story anymore. It’s a story about whether the environment that enabled all the other stories we cover will continue to exist.

https://www.techdirt.com/2025/03/04/why-techdirt-is-now-a-de...

The current "Tech" culture, also traces its roots to people who very much didn't like the way things were done in corporate offices in places like NY.

Thats why Google used to have statements like do no evil, and it mattered to those early recruits. Things were built, with the intention to make things better for people.

The leaders of AI companies talk constantly about democracy and other values, while new CS grads are being told they will have no jobs.

For the record, I really wish HN was not as politically active. However this change is downstream of the environment.

gmueckl 1 hour ago||
Places like HN don't necessarily become political of their own choice. Policy is forced on them, so they can no longer avoid it.
i80and 2 hours ago||
> Also it really is sad to see “Hacker” News be “World News”. More Zig and less White House, please.

I have been on this website for 17 years (ugh that's scary), and people have been posting variations of this remark the entire time. It's a tiresome sort of post the thousandth time.

Politics have always been a consistent part of this website: it's a big part of the world that hackers live in, and barring rule enforcement to the contrary, hackers will always find politics interesting and want to talk about it.

If you want a website with a more narrow focus, there's always lobste.rs.

amazingamazing 2 hours ago|||
I will take an invite
groundzeros2015 2 hours ago|||
Somewhat true. But as politics has accelerated to consume other interests, and HN has become disillusioned with startups it has gotten worse.

It illustrates to me how quickly everyone gets wrapped up in the current thing. There is no principle about which content is allowed or not. Entire threads representing alternative views are removed.

For example, In 2018 I remember you could not say a single thing critical of Elon or Tesla .

abjectai_42 2 hours ago|
How is this different than adding DEI requirements, the inability to study schedule 1 drugs, or the restrictions placed under the Dickey-Wicker amendment?

Federal grants have always been subject to politics.

SpicyLemonZest 2 hours ago|
It's different because it explicitly prohibits deferring to peer reviewers and explicitly requires that grants must "advance the President's policy priorities". Previous restrictions were guiderails for or additional screens on top of the underlying merit-based review; now the merit-based review is secondary and the primary criterion is whether the President's minions like the proposal.