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Posted by mooreds 5 hours ago

To have a moral stance on AI is to be an outcast, and it sucks(musings.martyn.berlin)
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jmyeet 4 hours ago|
We've been through this exact same thing with crypto and particularly NFTs. Remember those? Oh sure, a shortened URL on a blockchain is worth millions. Remember that? This quote on cognitive bias is often brought out:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

So, just like with crypto, there are people inside the bubble who simply believe they're going to get rich off of whatever is happening. So instead of seeing the flaws or the exploitation, they see a system where ultimately they will benefit from it. In crypto, you saw people who missed out on Bitcoin so kept looking for the next Bitcoin in everything that came after. That's why rug pulls worked.

AI is just accelerating a trend where a few thousand people are increasingly owning everything. Automation (including AI) will just be used to further concentrate wealth. We will be minting trillionaires when the majority of the world can barely afford to live.

But there are people inside the bubble who don't see that or don't care because they think they will get rich so none of that will affect them. It's not even that intentional. A lot of people see poverty as a personal moral failure. So it's just that they view themselves as not having that moral failure.

A more realistic view is that not everyone can be Jeff Bezos. You're more likely to win the lottery than you are to end up a billionaire. Also, you're one bad day away from being unable to work. Medical event, accident, whatever. This is why we look after the most vulnerable in society because you could be one of them one day.

oulipo2 5 hours ago||
Exactly. Each time you criticize the techno-fascist system that props up AI here, people downvote blindly without even trying to understand why authoritarian regimes love surveillance technologies like AI allows
ashivkum 4 hours ago||
A principal dogma on orange reddit is the neutrality of technology. Most people here are opposed to the nigh inevitable incipient use of AI in mass surveillance but don't think that that has any relationship to their use of AI (for example) as "Google that actually works." Whether they are right, I am not sure.
oulipo2 1 hour ago||
They lack the understanding that technology is not separate from society. Both go together, and CANNOT be analyzed without each other.

People who did engineering studies often think that "tech is pure", it's a simple "knowledge field" where something is "true or not". That's completely wrong. Tech is indissociable from society

But engineers don't understand that. Only researchers (and militants) do

resident423 5 hours ago|||
I don't think that's true, from what I've seen the people on here are pretty consistently anti surveillance
oulipo2 1 hour ago||
Then they just lack the realization or understanding that in a capitalistic society, the ONLY possible use for AI is surveillance
swatcoder 5 hours ago|||
Not my experience. Maybe it's your presentation that earns downvotes, not your message.

You can be a very principled person resisting and spotlighting norms you strongly disagree with, but how you do it tends to matter a lot. It makes the difference between people opening an ear to listen to you and reflexively pushing you away as an annoyance.

NoMoreNicksLeft 5 hours ago||
>Each time you criticize the techno-fascist system that props up AI here

Every time I criticize the Vikings on The Ultimate Vikings Enthusiast-and-Reenactment Society web forums, they downvote me too. It's ridiculous. Don't they have any integrity? Do they not believe in freedom of speech? One guy even started to rant about how the subforum's topic was specifically about a torment where the vikings would cut out of a man's tongue with a red hot knife... what does that have to do with my first amendment rights? just unbelievable.

oulipo2 1 hour ago||
If you think that people working in tech shouldn't be capable of criticizing their own domain, and taking a step back to understand what they're helping build, I can't do much for you
twodave 4 hours ago||
TL;DR author confuses anxiety with morals, cuts people out of their life that they can’t cope with being around.

This has played out a million different ways throughout history, nothing special about this case, it just happens to be rooted in anxiety about AI.

Rekindle8090 2 hours ago|
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