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Posted by modinfo 3 hours ago

1-Bit Bonsai Image 4B Image Generation for Local Devices(prismml.com)
121 points | 40 comments
mft_ 39 minutes ago|
Genuine question: is this solving a real problem?

IME, the bottleneck when using diffusion models isn't storage space or memory, it's generation time. Lots of models will run on 8-12 GB 1080-generation GPUs onwards, or on Macs with similar memory, which are probably the bottom end from a GPU power perspective anyway. I also note that these models are marginally slower than the small FLUX.2 model they're based on.

Okay, maybe this allows running a local model on something that has a reasonably powerful GPU and limited memory, like an iPhone, but is that really a common requirement?

c0rruptbytes 1 minute ago||
ideally if ternary models work, the math is extremely easy for computers (addition/subtraction vs 16 bit multiplication)
soerxpso 15 minutes ago|||
It's useful progress. Decent-fidelity local-scale inference means that you can create a product that generates throwaway images frequently without worrying about cost. Thus far every product I've seen that generates images is metered, which severely limits the value. I don't know if this is actually at the "decent fidelity" point yet.
wmf 14 minutes ago|||
For free users, I guess local generation is going to be faster than waiting in a queue.
moralestapia 12 minutes ago||
Genuine question: doesn't it blow your mind that there exists a 1 Gigabyte file/program that can generate any image you can think of just from a rough description of it?
mft_ 4 minutes ago|||
Yeah, it's pretty incredible. And I guess that's mostly what's behind the question: whether this is more of an impressive research/technique demonstrator, or a real product advancement solving a need.
ArchieScrivener 40 seconds ago||||
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hk__2 8 minutes ago|||
> doesn't it blow your mind that there exists a 1 Gigabyte file/program that can generate any image you can think of just from a rough description of it?

I can make this into a 5-lines Python program. I’m not saying the images will match the description, but that isn’t part of your spec ;)

lumost 1 hour ago||
I actually can’t wait for the future where I upgrade hardware in order to upgrade my ai as an alternative to an expensive subscription.

There are many problems I want to work on which require billions of tokens. These are completely inaccessible without corporate project sponsorship at the moment. An asic generation machine which can pump out a few 10s of thousands of tokens per second at opus4.6 quality is more than sufficient.

barnas2 23 minutes ago||
A company called Taalas is working on something like that. Not Opus4.6 quality, but I'm sure they're targeting larger models. Currently they're using a LLama 8B model. It runs at ~17k tokens per second, and you can test it at https://chatjimmy.ai/.
neals 1 hour ago|||
I'm curious how hardware and power cost would stack up to subscription cost
bigmadshoe 1 hour ago||
Can you give an example of such a problem?
smallerize 47 minutes ago||
To our knowledge, Bonsai Image 4B is the first image model in its parameter class to run directly on an iPhone.

Isn't SD XL 3.5B? And the refiner model is even larger. Those can run on an iPhone 13 Pro.

junto 23 minutes ago||
Just a side note, that this website is classified by Apple as an Adult website. I have Limit Adult Websites set in Content & Privacy Restrictions switched on.

Led me to wonder what happens if a domain gets a new owner, and they want to petition Apple to remove the block.

sorenjan 2 hours ago||
They call it a diffusion model, but it's based on Flux.2 which is a rectified flow model.
jeroenhd 53 minutes ago||
Couldn't try it because the demo app is iOS only and the web version just crashes my browser. The small model is impressive but if you front load a 1.8GB text encoder model, the savings aren't quite as useful.

I do wonder how these compare to existing image generation models. I've tried https://github.com/alichherawalla/off-grid-mobile-ai for a while but I find the image generation models rather lacking.

a1o 1 hour ago||
Anyone could pickup the minimal hardware requirements for this? Like both RAM and Storage?
mkl 1 hour ago||
The white paper says "mean-active memory pressure down to 1.95 GB for 1-bit Bonsai Image 4B and 2.38 GB for Ternary Bonsai Image 4B". Storage is on the linked page, and is about half that.
a1o 54 minutes ago||
That is very low, looks like it should run in base MacMini M4 with 16GB RAM. I understand it is not released yet? What sort of harness is necessary for this type of model? (I have only used coding agents through GH Copilot in VS Code, the JetBrains AI tool and Pi, this last one was sort of a pain to setup…)
tcarambat1010 40 minutes ago||
For ternary mlx, size on disk is 3.8GB. 512x512 peak memory use is ~3.7
wiradikusuma 1 hour ago||
Is there a benchmark of local image generation models? Local = can run on a 16 GB MacBook or 8 GB+ NVIDIA card.
captainregex 50 minutes ago||
what trade off would one need to clear to justify the hardware and the work to get this running locally as part of a broader system? It’s a lot of work setting up and maintaining a production harness/system on a local device. I don’t personally repeatedly generate images at a scale where using a lab’s app somehow burns all my tokens. I like the ideas of local ai but I don’t see widespread adoption of it happening in commercial or customer situations anytime soon no matter how little/good enough they get. Even Uber- token burn whiplash but I doubt their answer will be “run some of it local”. IT nightmare, I’d imagine.
potatoman22 1 hour ago|
I wonder why they didn't use a Bonsai model as the text encoder
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