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Posted by jaredwiener 1 day ago

DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms(techcrunch.com)
307 points | 148 commentspage 3
d_silin 1 day ago|
The logical business opportunity in the current LLM-boom is to create a bunch of AI-less services and products, and then charge money to access them.

Think of premium branding analogy: masses get cheap AI slop, wealthy get high quality human-curated and human-created produce. Like organic vs regular food.

Xirdus 1 day ago||
This only works if your business is large enough that you and all your competitors aren't expected to have humans doing everything already, but small enough that going AI won't boost your valuation by much. My intuition is that the intersection is pretty much empty.
d_silin 1 day ago||
Who says "valuation"? I am talking about "profits", something that none of the the upcoming IPO debutantes have managed to achieve.
Xirdus 8 hours ago||
For the founders, IPO/merger is pure profit. They don't care what happens afterwards.
unfitted2545 1 day ago|||
Mark Fisher in Capitalist Realism touches on this concept, where there's a constantly shifting opposition to the market that itself becomes engulfed in its own market, to be advertised.

So for example all the productivity/digital detox channels and videos are themselves a consumer demand to be watched on YouTube, on phones. And now we have anti-AI products marking themselves higher for a feature that didn't previously exist. It's like the tree of capital gets split at every turn.

king_zee 1 day ago||
This is sad and dystopian, why don't companies instead make AI optional in their products?
d_silin 1 day ago||
Among IT giants, Apple is the only such option.
gattac_janitor 1 day ago||
I switched to duckduckgo last week and i am really loving it. I tried their browser but I was getting a lot of 'this browswer is no longer supported messages'. I think I will try brave next.
Fogest 1 day ago||
I've been liking the Brave browser. The only thing I dislike is how many damn Cloudflare captcha's I have to go through all across the web. However in a way this may actually be a feature as I believe it shows that Brave's fingerprinting protections are actually effective. I didn't get these on other browsers as they were likely very easily fingerprinted.

I did have one site which told me I needed to use Chrome, Edge, or Firefox to use their site. Which kind of made me laugh considering the engine Brave uses. It was a really interactive JS heavy training site, so I guess they really wanted to be sure the browser was compatible to avoid support issues.

Arubis 1 day ago|||
If you're looking for a no-AI vibe from your browser, you probably won't get it from Brave. Zen might be a better fit.

If you're just trying new browsers to see what's out there and clean, I've really liked Orion.

gattac_janitor 1 day ago|||
Thanks for the advice I will check them out.
gwbas1c 1 day ago|||
Interesting. I hid the Ask Leo button eons ago when it showed up, so I never feel an "AI encroach."

That being said, I've used "Ask Leo" a handful of time, with mixed results. It's really good for "Give me the TLDR" or "Find the part of the page that talks about X".

TimByte 1 day ago||
If you're on macOS, take a look at Orion from the team behind Kagi Search. It runs on WebKit, is really light on battery usage, doesn't come bundled with crypto stuff or AI agents, and still supports Chrome and Firefox extensions natively
gitowiec 1 day ago||
Does DuckDuckGo support -not_wanted_word syntax? I tried to use it with -shop or -pharmacy and it still gave me unwanted results
hundchenkatze 1 day ago|
It does: https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/syntax

But I guess sometimes it doesn't work??

> Please note: we are aware some of our advanced syntax isn't operating 100% correctly on all queries and are actively working on it. It is unfortunately a non-trivial issue given we get our private results from a variety of sources.

erelong 1 day ago||
Ironic to me as the only DDG thing I use anymore is their duck.ai service
bko 1 day ago||
> Since then, traffic to DuckDuckGo has been booming. Last week, the company noted that web visits to its no-AI search page were up nearly 30% week-over-week, and its U.S. app installs were also up 18.1% week-over-week, with U.S. iOS app installs peaking at 69.9% week-over-week growth.

Of course there are no absolute numbers or scale. This is just an advertisement for DuckDuckGo. It's gross that previously respected tech publications run this kind of slop for clicks

ricardo81 1 day ago|
DDG used to have a graph showing the number of queries they did daily. It was around 100 million searches a day before they removed it a few years back. They were receiving bad press at the time IIRC.

An educated guess is they're doing a similar number of searches today.

ChrisArchitect 1 day ago||
Related:

DuckDuckGo search saw 28% more visits after Google said people love AI mode

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48296649

superkuh 1 day ago||
DDG would be a lot better if lite.duckduckgo.com didn't automatically block anyone who looks deeper than 200 search results as a bot and then force a JS only challenge on the lite page (that crashes old browsers). I think this false positive could be solved by DDG lite returning more than 10 results per page.
capitainenemo 1 day ago|
Huh. Didn't know there were 2 non-JS interfaces. I get redirected to https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/ (which is also 10 per page). I do appreciate that DDG has it at all. Google blocks all non-JS searches these days.

I've never noticed the challenge, but then, I don't think I've ever clicked 20 pages into the search results either. Usually if I've clicked on a couple of pages I feel it's time to refine my query..

waynesonfire 22 hours ago|
very impressived with no LLM results. If I want LLM, I don't need to use a search engine to engange with it. That's a different product.
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