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Posted by jaredwiener 1 day ago

DuckDuckGo makes its 'no-AI' search engine easier to access as its traffic booms(techcrunch.com)
307 points | 148 commentspage 4
shevy-java 1 day ago|
So, Google killing off google search, is probably the number #1 reason for DuckDuckGo growing - that and how AI ruins everything now.

Unfortunately, whenever I used DuckDuckGo, the search results were also crap - and the User Interface was crap too. For some reason these web-searches suck, from A to Z, starting at the UI, but more importantly showing search "results" that are really qualitatively not good or inclusive. We already HAD good results - Google search used to be usable, then Google killed it off deliberately. Some inspiration Google appears to have taken from youtube, where you can search for "xyz", and it shows you "abc" instead after a while, which is horrible but not totally horrible as you may just watch another video. But for exact text search, copying that was stupid. Google ruined its search engine deliberately over several years, hoping that people will never notice it. And now we should use this crap AI garbage "search"? That is a privatized web. I refuse to help transition to private actors controlling the www. For similar reasons I do not use AMP and recommend everyone to not fall for the trap Google puts at you.

Either way, someone can hopefully tell the DuckDuckGo team to offer alternatives that do not suck in their search engine. (Qwant also sucks, by the way - they just copy/pasted Google's search UI; perhaps some people want it, I don't. I want oldschool search. Simple. Stay simple. Don't clutter the UI. Don't add garbage. Don't lie to the user. And so forth.)

nikhilpareek13 1 day ago||
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chris_explicare 10 hours ago||
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ceheaaf 1 day ago|
I use duckduckgo but...

This is just marketing.

You get an "Auto-Generated" "Search Assist" summary at the top of most searches. So... they're using AI, you can just hide the summary. So, the "Ai is not the default" claim is bullshit, and I'm now less trusting of duckduckgo if they're willing to pretend their 'no AI' angle is substantial. 30% increase on the noai.duckduckgo.com subdomain. I wonder what % that is of their total traffic? Can I guess <5%?

Techcrunch mentions this in the last paragraph.

Nice marketing I guess? If techcrunch would lead with pointing out this is just marketing and they're totally an AI company, this article would count as journalism.

Honest question: Are people this stupid? Are techcrunch reporters this credulous and uncritical? I am genuinely completely on board with replacing this kind of 'journalism' with AI summaries of PR releases rather than gild them with fading gleam of actual journalism.

I've been building information extraction and discourse analysis tools for exactly this reason: most 'journalism' is lower effort than a the AI summaries they're complaining about.

devindotcom 1 day ago||
Amazing to place this level of disdain into a comment that is so completely incorrect
Groxx 1 day ago|||
"AI is not the default" is not a claim made anywhere AFAICT, especially not with that wording. The only thing you could be referring to is the explicitly no-ai url, which AFAICT has no "Auto-Generated" "Search Assist" (that's kinda the point), and it also hasn't used that phrase ever that I've seen in months.

So I kinda feel I have to ask: did you read the article, or did you read an AI summary?

AlienRobot 1 day ago|||
Replace journalism with AI summaries... of what?

What is the AI going to summarize once journalism is dead?

dotcoma 1 day ago||
Press releases, which is what too much of what we call ‘journalism’ summarises anyway.
WolfeReader 1 day ago|||
Step 1: read the article. Step 2 (optional): comment on the article.

You're doing these in the wrong order.

gchamonlive 1 day ago||
You should explain why, otherwise you risk becoming part of the problem.
WolfeReader 1 day ago|||
Why in general? Because if you don't read the article, you run a strong risk of reacting to things that the article didn't actually say. See OP for a good example.

Why this OP specifically? Because he is strongly reacting to the article's claim that "Ai is not the default" ... which is not stated or implied by the article he's replying to.

The article is a useful bulletin that DDG has a "no AI" function, previously accessible via a URL and now through extensions as well. OP is acting like DDG is claiming to be an anti-AI company, based on nothing stated in the article.

gchamonlive 1 day ago||
It's just that people have different understanding of the world and assuming something is self evident is dangerous. For instance the problem here is the apparent disconnection between the comment and the article, but maybe it's just that the connection isn't evident to you.

Take this response to a comment of mine for instance https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48144461. I've read the article and someone thought I didn't because he didn't see the connection I saw and acted all righteously, almost as this threads OP.

So in order to avoid embarrassing yourself online it's always nice to first give people the benefit of the doubt and then avoid being sneaky and clever when communication what you want.

WolfeReader 1 day ago||
I don't owe the benefit of the doubt to a comment that says "this is just marketing" and "are people this stupid?". If OP is going to make dismissive, vitriolic comments like that, he should probably make sure that the article is actually saying anything like what he claims.
gchamonlive 1 day ago|||
Fair point
devindotcom 1 day ago||||
You should explain the problem, otherwise you risk becoming part of the same problem.
gchamonlive 1 day ago||
Surely there is a problem in OPs mind that prompted him to write this message so why should I explain it when op already knows it?
luhn 1 day ago|||
> So, the "Ai is not the default" claim is bullshit

Where was this claim made? Nowhere in the article says that.

AndrewKemendo 1 day ago||
Edit: I know how to turn off the goddamn AI that’s not the point

I've used DDG as my primary search and it was maddening when they put that stupid AI response thing in there last year because it was not helpful and I'm a huge advocate of AI

Everything is marketing now

rpdillon 1 day ago|||
Just use http://noai.duckduckgo.com/, which is mentioned in TFA.
AndrewKemendo 1 day ago||
You missed the whole point of my comment. Long time DDG users have had to deal with their dumb AI for a year now

Everyone is aware of this new marketing URL now

rpdillon 1 day ago|||
Been a DDG user for about a decade, ever since I stopped using Google search.

Click the gear on the Search Assist box, and click the bottom option that says "Never". Right beneath it, it says: "Completely disables Search Assist".

It's always been easy to avoid DDG's AI, which was the point of my comment.

WolfeReader 1 day ago|||
I'm not sure why you refer to the useful noai URL as a "marketing" URL.
saratogacx 1 day ago||||
You can turn that all off in a few clicks and I believe it is kept in your site cookie so you don't need to log in

https://duckduckgo.com/settings#aifeatures

andrepd 1 day ago|||
There is a very prominent "show always / show on demand / disable completely" button, which you can choose and is respected indefinitely from that point on. That's orders of magnitude better than anything else, and really the best you can do short of refusing to use any AI at all.