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Posted by elorant 4 hours ago

Google employees internally share memes about how its AI sucks(www.404media.co)
129 points | 85 commentspage 2
chimpanzee2 2 hours ago|
Probably in the minority here but I think mocking the LLM is actually a good approach for integration testing, so these folks seem to know what they're doing :-)
Brainspackle 2 hours ago||
You should see what Cisco employees say about Webex!
amelius 2 hours ago||
Do they also share memes about how ads suck?
Aurornis 3 hours ago||
Being willing and able to criticize the company's products is really important.

Have you ever worked at an employer where everyone is pressured to only say good things about the product? You have to drink the kool-aid, or at least pretend to, and always talk about how great the product is? It's not good and it doesn't help the product. Being able to admit when things are bad is really important, even if it comes in the form of memes and humor.

rzz3 3 hours ago||
https://archive.is/BeICs
hmokiguess 2 hours ago||
Opened the page excited to read a bunch of fun memes, was very disappointed, now I need a proper fix.
m3kw9 3 hours ago||
Flash 3.5 (Fast) is very fast for many things, just don't throw complicated issues with it, it just doesn't do it as well as 5.5 High.

The low light of the show is the Anti-gravity app. The updates are few, and the updates does background bugs that no one really cares about. They add no features. The non-customizable "Open IDE" is classic greedy Google, they want you to stick to their tools. Vs Codex, they allow it.

oytis 3 hours ago||
I mean, it's an engineering company, so that's expected
josefritzishere 3 hours ago|
All AI sucks, it's not a Google problem.
zuzululu 3 hours ago|
Disagree and if you actively use it in your workflow well you will realize its a major competitive edge.

Nobody is going to hold you back from falling behind tho and I'm not here to convince you otherwise.

jjulius 2 hours ago|||
>Disagree and if you actively use it in your workflow well you will realize its a major competitive edge.

Depends on your line of work. I regularly try to incorporate it with mine and find myself telling it that it's wrong more often than not. I'm yet to be convinced that double-checking and correcting an LLM's work has saved me any more time than wading through garbage SEO-filled results to find what I need.

>Nobody is going to hold you back from falling behind tho and I'm not here to convince you otherwise.

The cockiness/hubris is real.

zuzululu 50 minutes ago||
If you are not getting value from LLM today that means whatever you are doing doesn't have the value you perceive it to have.
jjulius 27 minutes ago||
Let's not have a conversation, ask questions and understand nuance, let's just flippantly assert judgement via absolutes!
datsci_est_2015 3 hours ago||||
Willing to bet my career that how we use LLMs in 2027 will look nothing like how we use them in 2026 because of harness churn. My take is: focus on providing value to your company with the tools available today that appear least likely to churn out of existence tomorrow. The more specific and bespoke your harness, the likelier it is it will become obsolete very soon (I.e. the next frontier model release).
swatcoder 3 hours ago|||
Indeed.

It's promising technology, but the tools are far from mature yet.

And as they do mature, the ramp up will decrease and their won't be any particular benefit to being an early adopter. For reasonably bright people, there's essentially no penalty to "missing out" for a while.

As often, the FOMO-afflicted are churning on stuff that just won't matter. Which is fine if they enjoy it, but isn't something the rest of us need to fret over.

datsci_est_2015 3 hours ago||
100%. Imagine some talented engineer waking up from a 12 month coma. Do we honestly believe they’ll be permanently “behind” in the workforce because he wasn’t churning through LLM harnesses those past 12 months? What about 22 year old college graduates entering the workforce?

Keep abreast, don’t lose sleep, don’t sacrifice work-life balance. Help each other, especially your coworkers. The current craze seems to have created stack ranking monsters out of the whole industry.

zuzululu 51 minutes ago||||
You have no skin in the game but expect us to take your word for it.
QuercusMax 3 hours ago|||
Most of the harness related work I've done has been writing better documentation in the repository, and importing existing external documents. This type of stuff is gonna be useful no matter what, and also helps human engineers!

I wish we could convince folks to write docs for human consumption, but docs are docs....

righthand 3 hours ago||||
Competitive edge with who? Your coworkers? Your boss’ efficiency demands?
zuzululu 49 minutes ago||
With everybody else that uses AI silently and successfully.
josefritzishere 3 hours ago|||
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tokioyoyo 3 hours ago|||
Hard to believe that there are any non-mission-critical companies that won’t question one’s rejection of AI. Sounds insane, I know, but not using some LLMs to quickly look up a problem is akin to avoiding Googling when you have a problem.

Yes, they can be wrong. But if you’re competent enough, you should spot the irrelevant suggestions.

claytongulick 2 hours ago||
Maybe?

I don't know. I used to agree with this, but after the umpteenth time of Claude recommending some obsolete or dead old library, old version, getting major version breaking changes dead wrong, writing code for it that's not even API compatible with the published docs, etc... I started to question whether it was actually faster. I end up pouring over the original documentation anyway.

I have learned some new things, been exposed to some new techniques, and learned about some new libraries, so it's hard to tell.

The problem is made worse by so much of the internet being AI slop now, traditional searching is a huge time waste too.

Looking forward to the next chapter of tech where we're able to use these tools appropriately and not destroy everything of value with them.

gretch 3 hours ago|||
Turns out you don't have to bet your whole career.

Do you think if AI turns out to be a dud, most of us will permanently lose our career as software engineers?

prmoustache 3 hours ago|||
I think some of us are witnessing brain rot spreading accross our peers already so I am pretty sure some people won't recover if one day their token quota/limit is removed/reduced for a reason.
jdiff 3 hours ago||||
Not the same person, but in the event of an AI collapse I think those that relied on it will be at a disadvantage. The rapid deskilling that happens with AI usage is becoming more documented.
baggy_trough 3 hours ago||
If AI is good enough to cause peoples' skills to atrophy, then why would it collapse? It would seem that it was very useful indeed in that case.
bigfishrunning 3 hours ago|||
If your skills atrophy enough, maybe