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Posted by vthommeret 19 hours ago

APC–2 – A professional record cutter for producing original playback discs(teenage.engineering)
258 points | 167 commentspage 3
stigz 18 hours ago|
Price? If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
emsign 15 hours ago||
Fancy machine for just making dubplates.
xrd 17 hours ago||
Has anyone tried to 3d print vinyl?
alnwlsn 5 hours ago||
Audio file to gcode is not difficult. Here's a record laser cut into a tortilla [0].

I once tried to mill one out of MDF on a CNC machine [1]. It didn't sound very good, but better than I expected.

3D printing one seems very difficult, since 3D printers build walls instead of cut grooves. Maybe you could play it if you had some kind of bifurcated needle? Anyways, it's enough of a joke that it probably wouldn't work well that it was a Prusa April fools joke [2].

A better printer, maybe a resin one, can do it [3].

0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdzCv_9eaoM

1 - https://hackaday.com/2022/06/17/wooden-you-like-to-hear-a-cn...

2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV1egpbrg90

3 - https://hackaday.com/2012/12/21/3d-printing-records/

hstaab 17 hours ago|||
Most 3D prints are vinyls already! the surface encodes some patterns of the motor movements and medium curing process. Shame it wouldn’t sound very good and there’s no machine to play them.
aa-jv 13 hours ago||
Not 3D printed, but laser cut:

https://github.com/kallaballa/sndcut.git

Works pretty well, certainly not high quality audio, though. Maybe if someone out there has a more precise laser, it'd work ..

edb_123 17 hours ago||
Vestax actually did something similar in the early 2000s with the VRX-2000 lathe cutter. It cost around $10K back then.

The audio wasn't the best, but hey, you could make your own dubplates, and it did so in stereo!

fragmede 15 hours ago||
APC is an interesting choice of name. A Professional record Cutter.

I wonder if they chose it because of the APC40, which is a delightful set of MIDI pads.

vr46 18 hours ago||
I looked and went, "WTF is that? Looks like a record cutting machine"

Scrolled down

WTAF

I'm a total TE fanboi, I have the OP1F and OP-XY, they're everything I ever wanted and my MPC and Digitakt haven't be touched in months. And the Digitone Keys is unplugged propped against the bookshelf. It's extraordinary how addictive these two little synths are for making things happen.

The APC-2, however, is a fascinating outcome of what happens when you have a bunch of creative people who like - and can - do things that are new to them and make them new to others. It's no wonder they keep getting asked to do cool stuff like Panic's Playdate, Baidu's Raven, Nothing Smartphones and Headphones.

TE have retained this incredible playful vibe that has long drained from Sony and Apple.

I've heard every lazy comment about hipsters and rich kids who are supposedly their target audience, and the cost of the products, as if the visible ingredients are all that accounting measure. Swiss watches cost orders of magnitude more than TE's amazing inventions, and their only purpose seems to be to remind the wearer how amazing they are when they look at it.

"God, I'm good," thought the Rolex wearer as he glanced at his wrist.

Hipsters will buy anything that looks cool. But that doesn’t mean anything that looks cool was made for them.

alexjplant 18 hours ago||
> I've heard every lazy comment about hipsters and rich kids who are supposedly their target audience, and the cost of the products, as if the visible ingredients are all that accounting measure. Swiss watches cost orders of magnitude more than TE's amazing inventions, and their only purpose seems to be to remind the wearer how amazing they are when they look at it.

Nobody pretends that high-end watches are anything besides objets d'art and even then not every watch is a Rolex synonymous with conspicuous consumption. TE, on the other hand, has legions of fans that buy this stuff without knowing the first thing about music production just because they think it's cool and want to try it out. Nobody who buys a $700 Tissot thinks it tells better time than a $17 Casio.

I have no problem with any of this. The world needs more aspiring creatives and it's none of my business how these consumers choose to spend their money. The fact that you find it appropriate to unilaterally shit on people who have nice watches while being in possession of a $2000 groovebox is, however, as the kids say, "a choice."

fragmede 15 hours ago||
$700? $70,000 for a Patek Philippe Aquanaut!
l23k4 13 hours ago||
I'd guess there's a very high chance someone wearing an Aquanaut is having a better time than someone wearing a $700 Tissot or a $17 Casio, less of a difference between the latter two.

It's not telling better time, it's telling of a better time.

KerrAvon 6 hours ago||
That's very much not how it works. Musk and Trump are absolutely miserable despite having effectively infinite wealth and power. Not that either of them have the taste to wear an Aquanaut, mind.
copperx 16 hours ago|||
It seems to me that Teenage Engineering's greatest achievement is the wholesale adoption of Jobs's reality distortion field.

If you re-read your own comment, do you experience cringe? If the answer is no, that's worrying and worth looking into.

fragmede 15 hours ago||
Do you like anything? Or have any enthusiasm for life? Is your whole bit just calling other people’s enthusiasm cringe?
bigyabai 2 hours ago||
Do you accept everything? Are you enthusiastic for scammers that prey on rich sycophants?

The parent comment is right. Their logic is cyclical, they acknowledge that Teenage Engineering is widely accepted to be overpriced hipster crap, and then refuse to defend their conclusion that it's not made for the hipster audience. They do not posit what their "amazing inventions" are, or qualify their justification for buying two (!!!) OP-1 models, or link to the music that could only be made with the OP-1. They are responding to marketing, which is not a healthy habit of consumption in any market. For musicians, it's called Gear Acquisition Syndrome (chronic GAS).

In essence, you are criticizing someone for challenging a rich snake-oil customer.

whywhywhywhy 10 hours ago|||
> I've heard every lazy comment about hipsters and rich kids who are supposedly their target audience

They essentially make toys for that demographic but theres nothing wrong with that if you get enjoyment out of it.

FireBeyond 15 hours ago|||
S1E1 of Succession, on the topic of a Patek Phillipe...

"And it's amazingly precise! One look at your wrist and you know exactly how rich you are!"

bigyabai 17 hours ago||
> The APC-2, however, is a fascinating outcome

> TE's amazing inventions

> But that doesn’t mean anything that looks cool was made for them.

How anyone tells themselves this while buying Teenage Engineering gear is beyond me. The closest TE came to an "amazing invention" was the OP-Z, and that flopped like a fish on land. The whole business is a marketing-saturated DAWless hipster fantasy, hook line and sinker.

I was there when my properly talented musician friends bought the original OP-1, and I was also there when they sold it to afford a better MIDI controller. It's a Fischer-Price 4-track recorder, there's a very good reason you don't see your favorite musicians dailying it.

monster_truck 10 hours ago||
The OP-Z was an absolute mess! That thinkpad bullshit they used to mold it from had curing issues that they never quite sorted out. Had one from the first run, wouldn't stay on or charge without a vice grip. They sent another one that also was not square/did not sit flat and suffers from intermittent shorts, attempting to use the pressure sensitive top button is a coinflip on it turning off. It's also quite colorblind-hostile, and is impossible to use outside or under bright stage lights. Needing an app to manage it was such a dumb choice. It definitely had some neat pre-MIDI 2.0 ideas but in practice most of what it offers is better handled further up the chain.

The OP-1 (and TX-6) on the other hand are excellent, I have 3 of them and love them dearly! Plenty of producers and bands still use them to great effect, the used price is evidence of this. Treating it as a controller is a pretty solid sign you've missed the point. Most midi devices are not able to cope with the bpm/playback speed shifting in response to the tape interactions (which is fully in spec). I did appreciate people offloading them for cheap.

gf263 17 hours ago||
Inb4 all the commenters going “umm, why would I want this? I could simply burn a CD or make a Spotify playlist if I wanted to share music”
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