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Posted by berlianta 5 days ago

FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs(www.404media.co)
https://archive.is/ZobUQ
585 points | 389 commentspage 5
greenavocado 5 days ago|
I've got my popcorn and lawn chair out to watch the "voter id is racist" crowd to take a stand on this issue.

Context: Voter ID Laws may seem like a good idea, but they’re actually pretty terrible! On the surface, these laws appear to be a reasonable way to stop people from pretending to be someone else when they vote. But the reality is that this kind of voter fraud almost never happens!!! Instead Voter ID Laws primarily prevent the poor, the elderly, and people of color from voting. They way they’ve disenfranchised people of color is part of a very long history of voter suppression and is a classic example of structural racism.

trumpdong 5 days ago||
Isn't this the exact same thing? If you don't have a valid ID to vote, now you don't have a valid ID to use a cellphone either. And if you wanted to go and get one, too bad because you probably need a cellphone to do that.
moate 5 days ago||
So by "Voter ID is racist" crowd you more broadly mean "people who understand that requiring identification in order to exist in society is a burden on the citizens with little benefit to them but of great value to authoritarians who wish to use these laws for nefarious means".

Which, often, does not include exclusively people who think "Voter ID is racist" as plenty of unhinged libertarians hate make great points about why you shouldn't want the government to have access to 100% of your daily data points 100% of the time.

WatchDog 5 days ago||
Lot's of countries already require this but it's trivially by-passable just by using a roaming capable SIM from a country that does not require it.
rimworld 4 days ago||
Same thing seems to be happening in every other nation. I assume this is binding to your future digital wallet
garyfirestorm 5 days ago||
Isn’t this already a requirement? Can you really buy a burner phone/sim without providing identifying information?
tracedddd 5 days ago||
not at all, it’s easy to buy cash only tracphone, mint, boost, etc. and there are plenty of explicit anonymous providers such as phreeli.

That said, I don’t think its a problem whatsoever and we shouldn’t have laws restricting it.

downrightmike 5 days ago||
the only solution is to upgrade the phone system to require ID, but that would cost billions to AT&T, so that ain't gonna happen
kotaKat 5 days ago|||
Back in the late 2000s-early 2010s you could grab some Verizon bubble pack flip phones and just dial an activation string on the handset itself and it'd set up a new phone number for you and you'd just have to go add airtime with a prepaid card or credit card without having to provide anything.

Some of the LTE tablets even powered up and put you into a walled garden with data (heh, DNS tunneling worked out of it) to let you sign up for a mobile plan out of the box.

When I did some activations with PagePlus with an actual dealer-level account, it cost me nothing to activate a 'customer' handset and the only info I had to provide on the activation screens was the phone's serial number and the requested ZIP/area code for activation.

And fine, okay, the FCC will force American telecoms to require IDs, but nothing's stoping Redtea Mobile's foreign eSIMs from roaming into the US for data connections. You're just one eSIM global roaming provider away from bypassing all of it!

hnav 5 days ago||
They'll just add regulation that requires KYC for roaming agreements.
trumpdong 5 days ago||
So basically people from Africa won't be allowed to use their phones in the USA by order of the government? (If they can even get into the country without ending up in an ICE camp, of course)
Tangurena2 4 days ago||
That will be a feature and not considered a bug.
autoexec 5 days ago|||
I had reason to pick up a couple cheap pre-paid phones at a gas station once. I wasn't asked to give an ID to anyone to buy them, but once I had them I needed to call a company to activate the phone and they were very particular about what phone number it would work from. It had to be a landline. Payphone wouldn't work. My work phone didn't work. It was difficult to track down a phone line they'd accept and even then one of the phones refused to register.

It seemed to me like they wanted to make sure they could tie the phones to an individual through activation.

hstaab 5 days ago|||
T-Mobile prepaid accounts for example
olyjohn 5 days ago||
You can just walk in there with cash and walk out with a fully activated SIM without them asking for ID?
dgellow 5 days ago||
Correct
sgt 5 days ago||
Yes, I recall doing that. I'm a foreigner but I was in the US on vacation. Went to T-Mobile, so easy to get a SIM card.
Zigurd 5 days ago|||
I used to buy test phones for software testing at a bodega where they had a laundry basket full of phones, and they would sell prepaid SIMs no questions asked.
dgellow 5 days ago||
In the US you can buy a SIM card and activate without providing any information at the airport. At least in NYC. I was really surprised the first time
kgwxd 5 days ago||
Why were you surprised?
dgellow 5 days ago|||
Because I’m from Europe, and we need to provide an ID to get a SIM card
ImJamal 5 days ago|||
Not who you were responding to, but most of the western world requires IDs already. The US is an outlier on this issue.
kayo_20211030 5 days ago||
I don't think that's true. At least not in the European countries I visit.
dgellow 5 days ago||
It’s a EU wide requirement
kayo_20211030 5 days ago||
I dunno. I can go to Tesco in Ireland and the UK (fine, UK is not EU no more, but still Europe) and get a sim without ID.
dgellow 4 days ago|||
You’re right, I was mistaken. A proposal circulated to have an EU wide ID requirement but it went nowhere. So it depends the country
hnav 5 days ago|||
Nordics, Baltics and a couple of other countries are the places this still works. The rest of Europe is locked down.
filup 4 days ago||
Communicating anonymously without a phone number is really easy what does this solve
Beestie 5 days ago||
Well dangit - there go all my favorite crime solving shows.
nobody77 4 days ago||
This is a good thing, die scammers die!
bigbuppo 5 days ago|
This sounds like a great thing for people that beat their domestic partners. Make it harder for their victims to escape.
p0w3n3d 5 days ago|
But this is for the sake of the children safety... And terrorism... Whatever you want to have it wrapped in
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