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Posted by RyeCombinator 10 hours ago

Lines of code got a better publicist(curlewis.co.nz)
323 points | 217 commentspage 4
monitosi 3 hours ago|
beautifully put, AI is changing the way we make software but the way we measure productivity is still in our hands. L'chaim!
romaaeterna 9 hours ago||
So what has actually shipped? I'm already using much many more AI-coded projects in my daily life than I was a few months ago.
zingar 6 hours ago||
I agree with the main point but this misses something crucial:

> why wouldn’t you use it to deliver more value to your customers, faster? That should show up as MAU, conversion, revenue

Most roadmaps are full of garbage and would be better off being deleted. You get very few truly useful new features in a year.

To paraphrase ESR: the value to your customers is in them being able to know that can rely on your product still operating next year, not in those 20 new features.

Or to think about it another way, maybe block will be better off with fewer developers, but only if they produce sufficiently FEWER features so that they’re forced to prioritize.

ajd555 9 hours ago||
Confusing skeptic and sceptic will never not be funny to me (edit: I now live in shame)
mkl 9 hours ago||
Then I think you are the confused one, as they mean the same thing but one is US and one is UK+NZ+etc.: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sceptic#English
cestith 9 hours ago|||
I think you’re reading “sceptic” as “septic”. They are not the same word.
ajd555 8 hours ago|||
Damn it - well, I'll never live this one down, I'll learn to shut up next time
throw4847285 8 hours ago|||
Nah, as long as you're good a sport about it, it's all good. In fact, it's refreshing to have someone make a mistake like that so confidently, and then own up to it immediately.
forinti 8 hours ago|||
It shows good character to own your mistakes.
nkrisc 9 hours ago|||
About as funny as “confusing” color and colour. Which is to say: not very.

Skeptic and sceptic are pronounced identically, because they are just different spelling of the same word.

NiloCK 8 hours ago|||
Sure, live in shame, but don't let go of the humor in it all :)
ajd555 8 hours ago||
I did get quite a laugh when the comments made me realize what an asshat I was
forinti 9 hours ago|||
Sceptic is the UK spelling of skeptic.

Maybe you've confused it with septic?

llm_nerd 9 hours ago||
How do you mean? Guy was born and raised in New Zealand and is using British spelling. There is nothing confused or confusing about this.
bluGill 8 hours ago||
When will performance or lacks of bugs become a metric again?
hcayless 5 hours ago||
Many mid size to large companies are hilariously inefficient and the executives have no idea how work actually gets done. This means you can (in theory) fire a decent percentage of your workforce without affecting your output. You can then claim they’ve been replaced by AI without anyone ever challenging that assertion. I’m not making a pro or anti AI claim here, just saying that you won’t know whether you were wrong about it until/unless things start to go really badly.
photochemsyn 9 hours ago||
It’s worth looking at sectors where LLM code generation hasn’t been very visible, such as certification-accredited flight-control, braking, train-control, medical, or nuclear-control source code involving real-time embedded operating systems. This sector relies on assurance: deterministic scheduling requirements, detailed commit traceability, tool qualification, configuration management, independent verification, etc.

Since this is an area where failure can lead not to Instagram accounts getting hacked, but planes falling out of the sky and nuclear reactors spewing radioactive elements, it’s worth a close look. Some of the most visible companies in this sector include: QNX, Wind River, SYSGO, Lynx, Green Hills, Siemens Embedded, etc. None of them seem to have much if any adoption of LLMs for source code generation based on public statements.

Research in this area agrees with this view:

“In this paper, I have conducted a comparative analysis of the C++ code generated by popular LLMs including: OpenAI ChatGPT, Google Gemini, DeepSeek, Meta AI, and Microsoft Copilot for compliance with MISRA C++. The study revealed that none of the evaluated LLMs generated MISRA-compliant code despite clear prompts, with DeepSeek showing the fewest violations and Meta AI the most.”

https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.23535

discreteevent 6 hours ago|
This study showed that people writing computer games had little interest in productivity tools (because they are producing something that is really used). But people who produce things that not really used are obsessed with productivity:

> the perennially unprofitable venture-backed startup, for which faux productivity is connected to the generally immaterial nature of its high valuations, versus the game studio that lives and dies by the profitability of its products.

> In a sector of the economy where "it's not about how much you earn, but about how much you're worth," the labors of the companies whose workflows are built on the kinds of productivity apps that today comprise nearly 40 percent of Product Hunt's output are not actually directed at the creation of a thing, but at the appearance of the creation of a thing.

Maybe this is why Silicon Valley seems to have become obsessed with productivity and AI whereas the people in the industries you mention don't seem as excited. It's because they are actually making real things so they don't have to 'look busy' in order to justify themselves.

https://components.news/the-gamer-and-the-nihilist/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47235774

tehjoker 8 hours ago||
I don't get how if productivity is barely moving, how a decrease in comprehension will improve anything.
jovial_cavalier 8 hours ago||
The kloc fallacy never actually disappeared. Project and engineering managers got wise to the fact that it was only loosely correlated with shipping features, and stopped emphasizing it. Most everyone else has carried on silently believing it without really thinking about it. And of course engineers themselves have always believed it. How many times have you heard some guy talk about how he wrote 10kloc over the weekend as a brag?
bhanu786 8 hours ago|
So, how the comapny will be evaluating the students on what basis?
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