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Posted by vednig 2 days ago

Open source AI must win(opensourceaimustwin.com)
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RIshabh235 2 days ago|
our dependency on US AI will lead to data concentration in hands of few megacorps.
FrojoS 2 days ago||
What about pirated models?
danielrmay 2 days ago||
I hope the news moves this debate past "open weights vs. closed APIs" as the only axis. Open weights matter, definitely, but applied AI also needs open infrastructure around the model and it feels a bit like I'm yelling into the abyss highlighting the future we're incentivizing - cognition rented from a few institutions with access changing based on policy, geopolitics and platform incentives like advertising
ralfd 2 days ago||
If you take AI risk seriously then Open Source AI should not and must not win. Both by evil actors (biological weapons research) and the danger of unaligned AGI itself. There are some people who would never work for the military or Anduril (automatic weapon systems), but an OS AI „without asking permission“ would be the same.
joshuaissac 2 days ago|
If closed-source AGI wins, it is not going to be much different from a safety perspective anyway, because AI capability research is advancing faster than safety research.
ralfd 2 days ago||
Closed Source AI at least can be controlled. See the directive of the US government regarding Fable (even if one disagrees about the directive there is no doubt that it is effective in shutting it off) or the safe guards by a corporate structure (even a profit driven one). It is schizophrenic to praise Anthropic for refusing the Department of War full access to their models but at the same time root for Open Source models.

Edit: relevant Scott Alexander article from today

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/my-ai-opinions

> In terms of bioweapons, I expect that closed-source AIs will be heavily optimized against helping with these, and open-source AI will be banned after the first warning shot (or become economically prohibitive even before then).

zozbot234 2 days ago||
Note that warning shot in that blog post means specifically a near-disaster event (perhaps one that's just barely averted) that's specifically caused by the AI. So far we've had AIUI no significant indication of open-weight AIs being problematic in that sense, whereas one can quibble that proprietary AIs have done dumb and dangerous things.

(For example, I suspect that plenty of folks would view the recently threatened mass scan of the DN42 hobby network as an instance of misaligned agentic behavior that would have wasted non-trivial resources, and I also think that most observers would pin the specific behavior of that AI on a proprietary SOTA model, not an open one. That's clearly not a disaster-level event, but it should scare you if you're concerned about alignment.)

mrcwinn 2 days ago||
Quick, someone start open data center and open energy system and open water supply.
ece 1 day ago||
If large models were primarily used for distillation to make smaller models better, that could be a more efficient use of resources. Smaller providers could choose to fund a larger model and benefit from it.
xmly 2 days ago||
Totally agreed!
Findecanor 2 days ago||
There is no such thing as "Open Source AI". Open Source means that you respect copyright. The types of AI models that this web site refers to do not. Stop this nonsense!
giancarlostoro 2 days ago||
I mean, even if the frontier labs opened their frontier models, only nation-state level actors are capable of running them. A lot of the tech is very open and known, its putting it all together that's the struggle.
nektro 2 days ago|
the public only wins once we shut it down globally through treaties like other tech that's too dangerous for anyone to have
vitalyan1234 2 days ago|
it is baffling that you can still encounter Yuddite delulu in 2026 when everyone and their literal grandma is using chatbots daily. you might as well campaign to shut down the internet or ban smartphones.

but ok, who is going to initiate such a treaty? US? the orange man won't, and even if he did, no one would care. by the time his term is over and the next AIPAC spokesperson is elected, it will be even more late than it is now. EU? impotent and irrelevant. China? lmao.

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