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Posted by vednig 2 days ago

Open source AI must win(opensourceaimustwin.com)
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borzi 2 days ago|
I'm already coding more with DeepSeek than Opus, I'm doing my part :)
18al 2 days ago||
What does the author mean by "win"?

Does he mean that the _best model_ should be an open source one (eg: today, something better than Fable 5), or just that open source models should be the default choice for most task?

The former seems an impossibility, closed labs can work off of open and their own closed research. Closed source will always be better. Well, at least until some late-stage enshittification dynamics cause the providers to hobble them.

The latter, becoming a default, not so much. But considering the deep-rooted nature of (for instance) Google, it certainly won't be a walk in the park. This seems to be a similar hurdle as dethroning Chrome as the default browser.

For the average ChatGPT user, I surmise that open-source models are already capable enough. Most people I know who use it (me included) are not paying for it, they are routed to the cheaper models.

What's needed here is everything else other than the model to be in place. Which is to say there isn't a sufficiently good open source ChatGPT app, every open source option requires more fiddling than the ChatGPT app.

No precedent comes to mind for non-tech-user software that is open source and also a default choice. The limitation is rarely from the core-tech capability; core-tech is often the same as what closed source uses.

high_byte 2 days ago||
even if the most powerful ai is open source and let's even assume runs on consumer hardware - in the end data is the real moat.

if it can access private data it will necessarily have more power.

flawn 2 days ago|
Let's abstract this further: It's about the user's existing power and intentions, meaning if I am already in a position of power, AI will multiply it to levels way beyond a peasant could. Power dynamics just get exacerbated.
aryasyn 2 days ago||
Definitely, but I see the gap widening everyday, especially while commercial AI models have started converging towards AGI. However I do believe and support the cause, as it's the next big thing as developers we need to take to prevent a complete monopoly in the coming few years.
ai_fry_ur_brain 2 days ago|
"Converging towards AGI"

These things can't even center a div correctly half the time.

Not everything is code. Just because it generates a shitty SaaS clone for you and that seemed magical, it does not mean we are approaching "AGI".

An AGI could design an Oil tanker, manage the project from start to finish, handle all contract negotiations and purchasables, payroll, scheduling. Then it could do that 50x over and start a leading logistics firms.

In reality an LLM can't even complete upwork projects that are worth $20 an hour more than 4% or the time.

Source:

https://labs.scale.com/leaderboard/rli

4% guys, 4%. It cannot complete entry level work on fucking Upwork 96% of the time. Stop falling for the marketing and sorry but an LLM will never be AGI.

Its literally just text autocomplete with some RLHF post training, holy shit im losing my mind. I want this hype to end so badly holy shit I need this to end.

cindyllm 2 days ago||
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baalimago 2 days ago||
> If intelligence becomes something people can only rent from a few closed institutions

Just your your natural born intelligence..? It's worked for the past 10k+ years, I'm sure it will work for some time longer

notrealyme123 2 days ago||
Are there any platforms to discuss this? (Like matrix/zulip?)
guybedo 2 days ago||
i guess this fits: https://thealliance.ai/projects/tapestry
p_snapshot 2 days ago||
This should definitely attract a lot of contributors
jimmydoe 2 days ago||
For US citizens: counting on Open Source AI is another libertarian fantasy.

Open source AI should and will get better for sure (including better defined first), but the state will have the power over AI never the less.

If you don't like govt's AI policy or the people making those policies, go fix that, don't act like you can avoid them.

For Chinese: saying "Open source AI must win" sounds like singing "L'Internationale, sera le genre humain". The reality is Open Source AI will be over the moment US competitive pressure gone.

For rest of world: there's no real AI for you so far, go work on it or be a citizen of US&A or China.

ericyd 2 days ago|
I feel like this is similar to saying "open source cloud platforms must win". I'm not really sure what the concrete argument/proposal/strategy is here. Would open source AI be nice? Sure! Will the incentives of our capitalist economy change for this one specific product? Probably not!
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