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Posted by colesantiago 9 hours ago

Salesforce to Acquire Fin (formerly Intercom) for $3.6B(www.salesforce.com)
241 points | 193 commentspage 3
sreekanth850 6 hours ago|
I don't want to buy a product that doesn't want a human to talk with me before or after sales.
xnx 8 hours ago||
Good for Intercom. I have to assume that Salesforce will immediately rename this since any brand recognition was already eliminated a month ago.
ubertaco 7 hours ago|
Salesforce Einstein™ Agent Cloud (not to be confused with Agentforce, which will have basically the same goals and the same target market, until they kill off Salesforce Einstein™ Agent Cloud eventually).
tomaskafka 4 hours ago||
Congratulations to building a cool company that inspired thousands, then converting it to LLM reply bot, and then selling it to enterprise graveyard to be dehumanized and monetized even further.
kreutz 8 hours ago||
This sucks. I love Intercom. I hate Salesforce. I do not have confidence in Salesforce to be good stewards. Will never forgive how badly they've botched Heroku.
sneakymichael 6 hours ago|
Woof, yes! Though I'm glad Heroku remains, and I ought to also be glad that it has been stable all these years, …it's clearly neglected.

The very first interaction I have with Heroku is a two-factor sign-in, and …it's this horrible page hosted on salesforce.com, which doesn't have retina graphics (i.e. is blurry on screens Apple have used for 15+ years), doesn't work properly with automatic one-time-code generators (because the login form is heroku.com, but the two-factor is salesforce.com), and …gah! What a mess. Thankfully you fall through into the pretty, well thought-out Heroku dashboard of yesteryear.

sgarman 4 hours ago||
That new salesforce powered heroku status dashboard is a labyrinth of sadness.

https://status.salesforce.com/products/Heroku

hienyimba 8 hours ago||
The "AI" "agent" "helpdesk" they pivoted into is such a grift. AI agents still does not solve the main issues that makes a person contact support in the first place. How do I know? I was a founder in the space.

but good for them that they got salesforce to buy it.

agenticfish 7 hours ago||
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I work in this space and my team automated a large part of customer support for a large scale up using an AI agent. The kicker is that customers rate their interactions with the AI agent higher than their interactions with customer support staff.

AI is definitely capable of taking on customer support work at the moment, and to a high standard as well. Sure, it's not perfect. But it's not a grift either.

HtmlProgrammer 7 hours ago|||
Solving 80% of menial support tickets automatically through agents trained on your help center, freeing up your actual support agents to focus better on meaningful tasks seems a tiny bit more than a grift.

I’m not sure where you’re getting this from but their customers find Fin to be a hugely impactful tool

embedding-shape 8 hours ago||
I guess I'll bite, what is this main issue that seemingly everyone but you are able to see?
lubujackson 7 hours ago|||
The reason people want to get a human on the other end of the line is usually because they want some sort of remediation,like a refund or need to escalate something to someone who can take an action. Right now, AI agents just barf the FAQ back at you. Which is great for your tier 0 calls, but without an easy way to bypass they are just underlining the problem inherent in gethuman.com needing to exist.

Now if AI agents are free to issue refunds or discounts by their own? Great, let's do that and suddenly most people are on board. But get ready for rampant abuse.

Best solution would be an AI cyborg system where it readies a recommendation and a human swings by and approves or denies it without wasting time talking to people. But users would hate that (anti-social), it would still be ripe for abuse. But it is likely the longer term solution, as people will quickly realize they can use web chat or Google AI to get the exact responses as your FAQ bot which means you have removed actual customer service and this is a non-product.

ceejayoz 8 hours ago||||
Talk to random non tech people about customer service bots for five minutes and you’ll find most people see it.
embedding-shape 7 hours ago||
I'm guessing parent is not talking about something super obvious to the rest of us, that'd be disappointing.
Tadpole9181 8 hours ago||||
If I had to guess, there's two things they feel AI doesn't address:

1. People wouldn't need to contact support if you just made quality goods and services. Outside of rare exceptions and inquiries, of course.

2. AI has not advanced enough to trust it outright, nor does it have a physical body. So it can't really do anything you wouldn't already just be able to put in the UI for the customer, without needing it's actions reviewed and confirmed by an accountable human. See: accidental truck giveaways.

So investing into AI support over making your business better is seen as misallocation. And using AI support instead of just improving the service is seen as inconvenient. And using AI support when it needs humans to do the support anyway is seen as inefficient.

embedding-shape 7 hours ago||
> People wouldn't need to contact support if you just made quality goods and services

It'd be weird to start a startup around that, sounds like something for a consulting business instead, parent specifically mentioned they've founded customer support startup, must be something actually related to customer service, I'm assuming.

manwithopinions 7 hours ago|||
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mattbrewsbytes 7 hours ago||
AI support agents, chatbots, etc. on web sites these days are the equivalent to search engines during the dot com boom. Everyone felt that having a search engine on their dot com was the killer feature that was going to win. There were a lot of companies building search engine technologies and selling them too. Now its ubiquitous that most ecommerce sites have a search bar but nobody cares about the underlying technology much, its consolidated and commoditized.

Good on Intercom for getting acquired.

If we're seeing larger consolidation/acquisitions happen, does that mean the hype train has hit a key station?

shimman 3 hours ago||
I thought Salesforce had a few activist investors on the board that wanted the company to stop all acquisitions and focus on the core product. Whatever happened to them? Did they bounce after they hit a payday?

Company is down 30% YTD and Salesforce seems to be back on its acquiring spree.

andric 5 hours ago||
Seems like every time a tech company rebrands, it’s a cry for help.
vanuatu 6 hours ago|
this is very bullish for decagon and sierra
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