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Posted by sohkamyung 1 day ago

Banned book library in a wi-fi smart light bulb(www.richardosgood.com)
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tomhow 16 hours ago||
We've banned this account for repeatedly posting ideological flamebait with a consistent flavor over several years. HN is for curious conversation, not this.
rickoooooo 21 hours ago|||
I chose books that were out of copyright, available from project Gutenberg, and had been banned or challenged in the USA at some point in the past to use as examples. There weren't many options. It's designed so the user can include whatever books are important to them wherever they may live. They may live somewhere more oppressive where banned books are a common occurrence. I have no idea. It wouldn't be wise to include copyrighted works in a public repository where I live.
ShinyLeftPad 20 hours ago|||
In oppressive places a CCTV will detect you installing the bulb.
adgjlsfhk1 18 hours ago|||
The mitigation here is to make it only turn on after 60 days. most places don't store cctv footage for more than a month, so if you have a dummy period, by the time it's noticed, the footage will be gone
ShinyLeftPad 5 hours ago||
Good point
m-p-3 20 hours ago||||
Install it at night with gloves, wipe it to avoid fingerprints, and this hoodie https://hackaday.com/2023/03/06/adversarial-ir-hoodie-lets-y...
ShinyLeftPad 20 hours ago||
CCTVs operate in networks and use gait recognition, those hoodies are snake oil. You suggest to just teleport out after the installation, I presume?
BLKNSLVR 18 hours ago|||
Wouldn't you just need IR pants as well then?
frantathefranta 20 hours ago||||
Wheelchair yourself in and out.
ShinyLeftPad 20 hours ago||
I get it's a joke but in case someone thinks it'ss serious, unless you install it literally in the middle of nowhere with no CCTVs and also no one to connect to it, you will only stand out more in the crowd as you make your escape...
TruckDrivnGofer 19 hours ago||
Put dollar store lamp with enabled lightbulb in backpack. Enter library. Scope out cameras. Find outlet in blind spot. Install lamp and bulb. Drop hints like qr sticky notes, or riddles like don't ban books, turn ur bulb on. WinRAR.
ShinyLeftPad 19 hours ago||
If you put something the oppressive regime really doesn't like, finding who went into the blind spot in the time that the lamp appeared is easily automated. Ingress & egress are covered. You may get lucky but you might be gambling your family on it too.
DoctorOetker 18 hours ago||
Freedom has a price, people outside the regime (refugees of the regime) could explain and pay friends outside of the oppressive regime, to sell them at a loss (below market rate).

People inside the oppressive regime will unwittingly buy smart bulbs, that only activate after enough were smuggled in at the same date, so that by the time the regime detects some, all bulbs will be traced to non-refugee sellers outside its jurisdiction, absolving any unwitting participants buying and powering them, so it's important the ad doesn't advertise any quirks or functionality added, as that would compromise the buyers.

By having the sellers be random foreigners (from the perspective of the oppressive regime), the regime can't punish the family of the refugees sponsoring this infiltration, if it doesn't know which refugee friends the seller has (so it should also be a low contact friend, so the refugee would have to convince a friend to do one large batch once, and never meet again..., which is a bit sad).

This assumes commercial entities aren't selling friend network data, or if they do, that oppressive regimes somehow can't get their hands on it. A rather dubious assumption in 2026...

ShinyLeftPad 14 hours ago||
To be fair, that could work. I almost wish your comment wasn't here to teach them and their llms;(
KennyBlanken 19 hours ago|||
Nobody is doing "gait analysis" over this.

The FBI investigating a bombing? Yeah.

State cops investigating a murder? 50/50 odds?

Local cops investigating someone swapping out a fucking lightbulb? No.

ShinyLeftPad 19 hours ago||
FBI? US don't even have enough CCTVs in US probably for this to be an issue. rickooooooo is talking about somewhere "more oppressive". You go into enough detail on events of 1989 and they are absolutely doing it over that over there. And if you think they need to "do gait analysis", don't worry, it's automatic.
rickoooooo 20 hours ago|||
Ah shoot. Back to the drawing board I guess!
ShinyLeftPad 20 hours ago||
Right on. Hate to be a downer but for someone wanting to solve actual censorship this is not exactly the most productive way to direct their energy.
echelon 21 hours ago||||
> The idea is that if you drop this somewhere in public, you can try to match whatever color was there before so it is less noticeable that anything changed.

I *love* this concept so much.

Even though the books are a neat hook, these wifi networks could contain anything.

Grassroots political advocacy, local info for off-the-grid historical sites, location specific micro-social media (comments, message boards, etc.), waymarkers, geocaching, hidden music / art / games in obscure places, ARGs like an interactive capture the flag or something even more inventive and fun, ...

God, this is just so freaking cool and is begging for a thousand different ideas to run on top of it.

Good job! One of the best things I've seen all year.

rickoooooo 20 hours ago||
Thanks. I had several ideas for these bulbs as well. This is the one I decided to act on for now. I might work on some of the others later but I'm not sure. I agree there are so many potential uses for this sort of thing and I love how they just sort of exist without drawing attention or suspicion.
thaumasiotes 21 hours ago|||
> It wouldn't be wise to include copyrighted works in a public repository where I live.

If you have a problem with storing illegal books in your "banned book library", you may be working on the wrong project.

afavour 21 hours ago||
As it stands it is a great example for others to learn from. If you include copyrighted books it’ll get pulled from GitHub and no one will learn from it.
rickoooooo 20 hours ago|||
You'd think this would be obvious.
thaumasiotes 18 hours ago|||
> If you include copyrighted books it’ll get pulled from GitHub and no one will learn from it.

And how does that differ from including banned books?

afavour 12 hours ago|||
It doesn’t? I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make.

This is not a database of banned books. It is an example showing how you can make a database of banned books of your own.

Brian_K_White 18 hours ago|||
github nor the government github is subject to cares about those books, for either political or copyright reasons, that's how. Are there any other silly questions?

This is a perfectly sensible set of sample and example books. The project is the book distribution system, not the books themselves.

You load yours up with whatever you think is important or whatever you are willing to risk.

evil-olive 22 hours ago|||
> likely immersed in the same "banned books" media psyop as other Western News Consoomers

all 4 of the books that are checked-in to that repo are old enough that they're in the public domain. I looked at Call of the Wild and it has a title page saying it came from Project Gutenberg, I assume the other 3 likely did too.

rather than jumping to conclusions about the author being influenced by a "psyop" I think there's a much simpler and more boring explanation - they didn't want to check copyrighted ebooks into a publicly-accessible Codeberg repo.

rickoooooo 21 hours ago|||
I chose these books as examples precisely because they are out of copyright and available on project Gutenberg. They also had been banned or challenged on the USA in the past. Project Gutenberg has a list of "banned books" on their own website and these are all included.
frollogaston 22 hours ago|||
They appear to all be public domain. Even if they weren't, grandparent could've just called out that these are not really banned books instead of being pretentious with the "psyop" thing.
dindunuf 21 hours ago||
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frollogaston 21 hours ago|||
Whether or not a psyop exists, it's presumptuous to say the author has fallen victim of it. Also suggests you're immune or something.

Also, the books on the bulb include Huckleberry Finn, which was removed from required reading in some Democrat-governed California cities because it uses racial slurs.

hydrogen7800 21 hours ago||||
When should it be reported, then?
dindunuf 21 hours ago||
when it's banned by the federal government.
BigTTYGothGF 10 hours ago|||
@dang You might want to check this username (put a space between the 5th and 6th letters if you're luckily not familiar with the term).
Pxtl 20 hours ago|||
So if a book is banned by a widespread movement of extremists taking control of local governing bodies and the federal government is not involved, that's okay then?
limit35 19 hours ago|||
I am absolutely dumbfounded that this seems to be ok to some people.
dindunuf 19 hours ago|||
>there are no banned books in America.

that was the only point I was making. Mein Kraft, Selected Works of Lmao The Dong, and The Anarchist Cookbook may be removed from sale/access in some specific locations, but it is very much legal to buy, own, and sell them.

whatgoodisaroad 18 hours ago||
the US federal government historically banned books under the Comstock Act of 1873 which is still on the books and is still active federal law. it only currently isn't being enforced following some cultural changes in the 1960s. another change in the cultural winds could bring it back unfortunately
dindunuf 17 hours ago||
don't you have lots of those dormant old timey laws that would be promptly invalidated as unconstitutional if an attempt to enforce them was made these days, like sodomy laws were?
whatgoodisaroad 16 hours ago||
the Comstock act was unconstitutional at the time that it was actually enforced. i don't want to get into politics but there are many dynamic factors at work here
chipsrafferty 20 hours ago|||
It's almost like this could be used in countries that aren't "America"
sgentle 21 hours ago|||
Your thought experiment asks: what if the banned book library contained out-of-print white supremacist books instead of historically banned books?

The answer should be obvious: it would be a white supremacist library.

Given that the present administration includes fans of those books, their banning seems unlikely. Perhaps a refresher on the kinds of books that are presently under threat is in order? https://www.ala.org/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10

(You can find contemporary Huck Finn censorship attempts in their database here, by the way: https://airtable.com/appZthgrTU9u1Bf5d/shr4J8Mgiua2CV2Ig?mWW... )

like_any_other 20 hours ago|||
Books that are assigned reading in schools and universities, and promoted by libraries, are "under threat", while books nearly impossible to find, never on any reading lists, and whose promoters get their speeches shut down by French police [1], or get investigated by the FBI and kicked out of university [2], are to be considered widely available, got it.

And your "historically banned" is just "occasionally removed from public school libraries on parental request". Not using tax money to promote them to children is a low, low bar for "banned". While actual availability is, of course, completely ignored. Whatever tells the best story, facts be damned.

[1] Jared Taylor's Banned Conference Speech - https://www.arktosjournal.com/p/jared-taylors-banned-confere...

[2] Ohio universities involve FBI in investigation of ‘It’s okay to be white’ and white nationalist group’s postings on campus - https://www.thefire.org/news/ohio-universities-involve-fbi-i...

margalabargala 20 hours ago|||
We've decided collectively as a society that some ideas are "good" and others are "bad". For example, racism and white supremacy have been decided to be "bad".

There's an alternate reality where white supremacy is mainstream, where queer fiction is impossible to find, and that would be a different world.

Instead, what's being preserved are the books written that celebrate the values that match our broad cultural values, despite a handful of cultural deviants attempting to suppress the parts of the rest of humanity they dislike.

BigTTYGothGF 10 hours ago|||
> that would be a different world

Yes, it's called "the past".

like_any_other 20 hours ago|||
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margalabargala 20 hours ago|||
"For once"?

That's a significant impugnment of the honesty of a person you know nothing about.

"Banned books" is the colloquial term for these books, even if it's not as accurate as you'd personally prefer.

Next thing you'll be complaining you bit into an Apple and got computer instead of fruit.

like_any_other 19 hours ago||
> "Banned books" is the colloquial term for these books

Yes, many people are either unaware of, or willing participants in, this lie. That doesn't make it any less of a lie.

margalabargala 19 hours ago||
It's not a lie. Some entity somewhere banned them. It's vague, not inaccurate.

You're just pissy because they aren't using your personal favorite parameters around "banned" for "by whom" and "for whom". You're pretending your opinion is fact and therefore anyone who disagrees must be a liar.

somenameforme 19 hours ago|||
I'm curious of your take on one thing. Many of the sexuality oriented books (which your list is overwhelmingly composed of) tend to, unsurprisingly, have sexual content which is often rather explicit. Some of these books even have explicit artwork within them. I'm sure you'd agree that if books had ratings then many/all of these books would R, if not NC17, rated.

And even in high schools screening R-rated movies is generally heavily restricted. Where it is allowed, it generally requires a permission slip from the parents. And that's not like showing gratuitous films, but ones with historically relevant and educational context like e.g. Schindler's List.

So why is it unreasonable for parents (or other interested parties) to be against having such material in a children's library? In many ways its quite odd that a rating system was never adopted for books. And for one other question, do you even see a difference between these sort of books being restricted from schools, and other books whose content would be generally be rated appropriate for children, being banned on political/ideological basis? Because to me the difference is not only tremendous but the defining issue here.

margalabargala 18 hours ago||
> (which your list is overwhelmingly composed of

"My" list? I don't have a list. If you're talking about OP's list, I disagree with that. Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn are not sexual books. From what I know of many of the other more recent books people have tried to ban, I absolutely would not agree the ratings would be R/NC17 for those either. Here's a list of PG13 (And PG!) movies with nudity. https://www.imdb.com/list/ls548607223/

I agree that 7 year olds should not be shown sexual content. There exists content with sexual themes which are appropriate for teenagers.

Also, the comment you replied to is downthread in an argument over whether it's a "lie" to call books that someone banned, a banned book.

somenameforme 17 hours ago||
I was referencing the one you were implicitly defending that started this line of chatter: https://www.ala.org/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10 Most of the books from that list are widely available and easily accessible. The 'under threat' rhetoric is just from them being removed from some schools due to content being deemed age inappropriate. Those pg13 movies with nudity tend to be things like a few seconds of sideboob in a shower or whatever.

The top book on that 'challenged' list is a diary style book of a 13 year old girl who is sold into sex slavery, repeatedly raped, abused, and so on - with descriptions of each 'encounter.' The book is meant to be, and indeed is, extremely disturbing as it's part of the author's activism against sex trafficking throughout the world - as it was based on real events as per her research. In any case, it most certainly is not PG13 by any stretch of the imagination. It's much closer to something like Requiem for a Dream than it is to Tomb Raider.

I also think that's a great book to have on top, because it emphasizes that the issue isn't ideological, but content. I think there's few people who would claim Sold doesn't have tremendous value, or that it should be banned. But there's going to be a lot of people that don't want books like that anywhere near children. And for good reason - it's the same reason I wouldn't really care if my kids wanted to watch Total Recall or Terminator, but no way would I let them watch Requiem for a Dream. The violence and triple titted aliens of Total Recall are borderline comical, but I don't think stuff that gives you that awful 'ughhhh' feeling like Requiem for a Dream (or indeed - Sold) is something that's going to be at all healthy for a child's development.

shwaj 18 hours ago||||
"Formerly banned books" would be more accurate.

We no longer say that "cannabis is illegal in California"; that would be factually incorrect. Instead we say, "cannabis was formerly illegal". In standard usage of English, the same pattern applies to banned vs formerly banned books.

Edit: wording

like_any_other 19 hours ago|||
> It's not a lie.

It deliberately conveys an impression that is opposite of the truth. But feel free to continue to split hairs and twist words to argue that technically you're not actually lying.

margalabargala 19 hours ago||
> deliberately conveys

Just because you decided to interpret something one way, doesn't mean it was a deliberate choice by the other party, nor does it mean your interpretation is common.

> technically you're not actually lying.

What did I say that you consider a lie? Could you quote me?

subscribed 15 hours ago|||
By God's, these are examples, artifacts for the repository you can use yourself.

What's so triggering in using, as examples, books that were once banned?

It's getting weird seeing how you're going on and on and on about that aftee the author has explained why these books.

chipsrafferty 20 hours ago|||
Why do you want people to read those books so bad?
like_any_other 20 hours ago||
It's convenient that only evil people point out the emperor has no clothes, isn't it?
pooploop64 21 hours ago|||
Reminds me of the "banned book" table every book store has now. The place where so called banned books are given the most prominent display in the whole store with discounts if you buy a novelty pencil or something alongside it.

I thought we would all be over this after the dr seuss thing.

Sam6late 11 hours ago|||
Yes, I studied 'D.H.Lawrence's Women in Love' in college, yet I could not believe it when I saw its NSFW scenes played on all tv screens in a train in Ukraine in 1990, one passenger, a very old lady was loud and raucous and started shouting things that made everyone in the train laugh, I asked a Russian friend what she was saying and he said that she was blaming everyone why missed all those lovely tv shows with such things and had not watched anything as good when she was young. I think she meant that scene in page 246 if I recall it right from reading it in 1983.
danorama 21 hours ago|||
Don’t “necessarily agree” with the Turner Diaries? Why the mystery? Should we guess?
unselect5917 17 hours ago|||
>- The Camp of the Saints

>- Culture of Critique

>- The Turner Diaries

Actual banned books. So of course your comment is flagged. Groupthink censorship is still censorship.

redsocksfan45 7 hours ago||
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sam1r 23 hours ago|||
Thank you for this!

It's been a while since I used the github gist 'download zip' functionality. Quite handy.

Brian_K_White 18 hours ago|||
Doesn't understand the stunningly simple and obvious concept of a safe sample placeholder example, presumes to question anyone else's grip on reality.
msla 21 hours ago|||
> Note that I don't necessarily agree with the subject matter of these titles

Y'know, there's really only one reason to be coy about whether you agree with Neo-Nazi propaganda.

unselect5917 17 hours ago|||
>Y'know, there's really only one reason to be coy about whether you agree with Neo-Nazi propaganda.

Straight to the ad hominem attack on taboo thoughts. Transparent. If the books are true what is your problem with them? Not me. Not the other poster. Not a strawman fallacy. What is your issue with the content of actually banned books? Be specific.

msla 20 hours ago||||
Someone named tinfoilhatter replied but that's gone now. Not one to let a response go to waste:

Well. I seem to have triggered something.

> Ah yes, because the only people that have ever spread propaganda are Neo-Nazis

Not something I ever said or implied.

> and we should only ever learn about the sanitized and approved version of history from our Robert Maxwell (Ghislane Maxwell's Mossad agent father / McGraw Hill co-founder) published textbooks.

I find it interesting who just happens to know who else is Jewish, and then feels the need to interject that into utterly irrelevant contexts.

> Never mind that there are two sides to every story, and when it comes to history, only the victors get to tell theirs.

No, I'm pretty sure a lot of losers have been able to have their sides heard. It's just that, well, people lose for a reason, and losers tend to be less popular among normal people. Ranting about subhumans can do that, you know.

> We don't even learn about the 23+ million massacred by the Bolsheviks in school.

I would be interested to know who exactly you call a Bolshevik, but I did get taught the history of the USSR in school, at least, and "One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich" is not a ringing endorsement.

However, nobody was talking about Bolsheviks until you decided to use them as a distraction.

> But yeah - only one reason to consider a different perspective other than the one forced down your throat by the public education system.

I didn't need the public education system to teach me to hate genocidal racists, thank you.

tinfoilhatter 19 hours ago||
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msla 19 hours ago||
> No but you said there was only a single reason to agree with "Neo-Nazi" propaganda as if agreeing with any propaganda is rational. There's a reason it's called propaganda after all. It's not like there weren't deplorable crimes being committed by the Soviets / US / France / Britain and they certainly had their fair share of propaganda during WWI and WWII depicting Germans as barbarians / sub-human / etc...

We're only talking about one political group here. The group that published The Turner Diaries. The group that can't help but mention who's Jewish. Bringing up other groups is a distraction tactic, aside from how dishonest it is. Yes, we are taught that everyone did morally questionable things in WWII. But only one group ran a Dachau.

> How is the owner of the second largest publisher of textbooks in the US, and the fact that he served in a Zionist intelligence organization in the US, irrelevant when it comes to what people learn about WWII and propaganda? Please explain.

OK, let's get down to brass tacks: Do you think people only believe the Holocaust happened and was bad because a Jewish man published a lot of textbooks?

> Are you disputing the well-recorded fact that tens of millions of innocents were killed by the Bolsheviks over the span of about 40 years?

Are you disputing the fact eleven million people were killed by a concerted effort on the part of Nazi Germany to eliminate people it considered subhuman for various reasons?

I don't dispute the vile stain on the history of state Communism. I hate Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Hoxha and Kim Il-Sung just as much as the next normal person. But we're talking about why someone wouldn't distribute The Turner Diaries and, I have to say, the Communists didn't commit that little literary peccadillo.

> Why don't we learn about the Holodomor in the US in grade school?

Because there are fewer people waving hammer-and-sickle flags around than there are spray-painting swastikas on synagogues and Raising Questions about whether the Holocaust was so bad after all.

> I never said you did - but if it were me, I'd want to make sure I considered both sides of a historical event before deciding which direction to aim my hatred, if I was into such endeavors.

That's funny, the more I learn about WWII the less I feel the Nazis had a legitimate side. They were a bunch of losers lead around by a drugged-up corporal who ran his country into the ground with gross mismanagement to the point Germany, once the jewel of European science and industry, was split in half and lived a shadow existence as the puppet of two world powers for a half century after his reign.

> I personally believe that war is a racket, and that there are no good guys in evil and corrupt wars (WWII was definitely one of those, same with WWI).

The corruption in WWII was the starting of it, which falls directly at the feet of the Nazis and Imperial Japan. Self-defense is not corruption, and neither is ending the reign of expansionist tyrants. Or do you think people don't have the right to defend themselves from your pet dictators?

> I'm also not naive enough to believe that there wasn't atrocious behavior on both sides of either war.

Only one side ran death camps. Both sides imprisoned people unjustly, but only one side turned them into ashes. It doesn't balance out.

> Nor am I going to label anyone who has the gall to question the prevailing narrative or say it is incorrect in some capacity, a Neo-Nazi.

No, the only people I call Neo-Nazis are the ones triggered when I say the Nazis were, on the whole, bad for everyone around them.

veqq 14 hours ago||
> only one group ran a Dachau

is a strange example since it was just a complex of work camps, with the Japanese, British and so on having far worse than that.

> Because there are fewer people waving hammer-and-sickle flags around than there are spray-painting swastikas on synagogues and Raising Questions about whether the Holocaust was so bad after all.

The hyperbole weakens the point / or where are you to see constant Nazis? In the US, Mexico and Germany I regularly see hammer and sickle flags, t-shirts and graffiti. In Mexico city right now, there are huge banners with Stalin and Lenin, besides Marx and Engels, draped across traffic lights and streets all over the center, while it's been almost 10 years since the only big nazi protest I'm aware of (Charlottesville)

tinfoilhatter 20 hours ago|||
As if Neo-Nazis were and are the only people capable of authoring propaganda. The Bolsheviks certainly were good at it, yet we don't learn about the 23+ million they massacred in US schools. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the second largest publisher of textbooks in the US (McGraw Hill) was co-founded by Ghislane Maxwell's Mossad agent father Robert? One can and should question the prevailing narrative when it comes to historical record. After all, the victors get to write it, and there are two sides to every story. You don't have to agree with Neo-Nazi propaganda to acknowledge that what we are taught about WWII and Weimar Germany in school, isn't the truth either.
p_j_w 19 hours ago|||
> The Bolsheviks certainly were good at it, yet we don't learn about the 23+ million they massacred in US schools.

Those of us who paid attention certainly did.

tinfoilhatter 6 hours ago|||
How can you pay attention, as a student, to a historical event that isn't being taught to you in your history class? Please explain.
unselect5917 16 hours ago|||
Less than 8% of the English speaking world has heard of the Bolsheviks' genocide. And we know that's not an accident because Mossad's Robert Maxwell owned the dominant textbook publishing company in America for years.

If that simple, easily checkable fact doesn't get your hackles up I would know why that it doesn't.

margalabargala 19 hours ago||||
> As if Neo-Nazis were and are the only people capable of authoring propaganda

Of course they aren't. But that's no argument for distributing it.

tinfoilhatter 19 hours ago||
No, the argument for distributing it would be that other propaganda is widely distributed without question, so if one wants to arrive at anything even close to an objective account of what transpired during that time in history, all propaganda should be examined and learned about. The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle, and we certainly aren't getting to it by blindly accepting one narrative over another.
margalabargala 7 hours ago||
No, because extremist propaganda does not "average out" to an objective center.

If you want to distribute it in a box labeled "extremist propaganda", to study it as such, sure.

But if your society has some extremist propaganda in the wild, distributing more, different extremist propaganda will make things strictly worse.

tinfoilhatter 6 hours ago||
Who defines what is extremist propaganda? The people who win the propaganda war and get to label the other side as extremists is the answer.
margalabargala 5 hours ago||
Extremism can be more-or-less objectively defined in terms of difference from the mean/median. Measurement is tricky but just because something has fuzzy boundaries doesn't mean it's meaningless. Especially when something is not near that fuzzy boundary.
girvo 19 hours ago|||
> You don't have to agree with Neo-Nazi propaganda to acknowledge that what we are taught about WWII and Weimar Germany in school, isn't the truth either.

Go on then.

Say what you mean.

tinfoilhatter 19 hours ago||
I just said what I meant - what we are taught about WWII and Weimar Germany in school isn't anything approaching the truth. For example: https://www.archives.gov/research/foreign-policy/katyn-massa...
girvo 19 hours ago||
I don’t know what school you went to, but mine covered war crimes committed by the Allies plenty.

That doesn’t mean Nazi Germany wasn’t utterly disgusting though.

tinfoilhatter 8 hours ago||
Both sides in the war were utterly disgusting. The allies firebombed cities full of innocent German civilians, and when the civilians would seek refuge in the only remaining buildings standing, the allies would bomb those. The soviets killed between 1.6 and 15 million in their gulag camp system, not to mention the millions they massacred, tortured, mutilated, etc... in Russia and on their march westward. We certainly learned a lot more about the war crimes Germany allegedly committed than the ones the allies allegedly did, and we certainly didn't learn about war crimes that were committed by the Soviets but blamed on the Germans. I went to school in the US.
girvo 1 hour ago||
> the war crimes Germany allegedly committed

See, here you go. I knew you were one of those. Disgusting. Like I said, say what you mean mate, stop trying to hide. But you don't because you know its shameful

p-e-w 22 hours ago|||
Thank you for pointing this out. That list of “banned books” (that were unbanned long ago, and are now considered great literature) indeed seems more like virtue signaling.

There are equivalent books in our own time, and using those instead would make the project feel more like an actual defense of Free Speech and less like a quip of “goodness gracious, people were prudes in the 1920s”, which everyone already agrees with.

rickoooooo 21 hours ago|||
These are just examples I could legally include in a public github repository to demonstrate the functionality. The alternative would be to include copyrighted works or nothing. The user is free to include any books that are important to them.
hoppyhoppy2 22 hours ago||||
As has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread, "books in our own time" tend to still be under copyright and might not survive long in a public code repository.
p-e-w 22 hours ago||
There is at least one “banned” book, written by a former dictator, whose copyright expired in 2015, 70 years after his death in 1945.

But that’s a good ban of course, because Freedom of Speech only matters when it concerns speech I agree with.

protocolture 16 hours ago|||
A major element of "Freedom of Speech" is the freedom to not support or repeat or platform speech you disagree with.

OP is not even slightly wrong to leave out texts they disagree with. Theres no hypocrisy here. They have the Freedom to not publish works.

evil-olive 21 hours ago||||
> But that’s a good ban of course, because Freedom of Speech only matters when it concerns speech I agree with.

putting hypothetical words in other peoples' mouths like this seems like it must be a pretty exhausting way to try to make a point.

quoting from the article:

> I think the idea hosting banned books specifically came to me after having read Ben Brown's short story Library. It's been a while since I read it, but if I recall there are characters in the story who maintain a "library" which acts as a digital archive of creative works, owners manuals, 3d models, etc. Things that others might find useful or interesting that you wouldn't want to lose should they be somehow wiped from the Internet.

the purpose of a project like this seems to be not just "here's some banned books" but rather "here's some banned books that I think are worth sharing / reading". if you think Mein Kampf belongs on that list, just say so directly.

but also the premise of your comment is wrong, because Mein Kampf is not banned at all: https://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf-Adolf-Hitler-ebook/dp/B002...

p-e-w 20 hours ago||
> the purpose of a project like this seems to be not just "here's some banned books" but rather "here's some banned books that I think are worth sharing / reading"

Those aren’t banned books though. They are books that used to be banned in another century.

It’s like saying “I’m a criminal because I criticized the Pope”.

evil-olive 20 hours ago||
> Those aren’t banned books though. They are books that used to be banned in another century.

as has been covered in multiple comments elsewhere in the thread, the "banned" books that are checked-in to the repo are examples that were used because they're in the public domain.

wiml 21 hours ago|||
Is Mein Kampf banned? It's currently in print and available from your friendly bookseller, in multiple editions spanning a couple translations and the original German. Of the two public library systems that cover my area, one has it (12 holds on 4 copies) and the other doesn't but does have other books by Hitler. I expect it's assigned reading in poli-sci classes.
Refreeze5224 17 hours ago|||
You're advocating for including white supremacist and Nazi books. And you're not the only one in this thread doing it.

There is one reason someone would do that. You're a white supremacist and a Nazi. There's no in-between here. How about you fuck right off with all that? No tolerance for Nazis and racists.

unselect5917 16 hours ago||
Are there black, Asian, jewish supremacist, or zionist books that are banned? If so, which ones?

>There is one reason someone would do that. You're a white supremacist and a Nazi. There's no in-between here. How about you fuck right off with all that? No tolerance for Nazis and racists.

And good faith is straight out the window. Are you afraid because non-banned books and films told you they were bad, or because the people who produced those were afraid they were right and didn't want you to know that they were right?

You're advocating censorship. The good guys have not once in history ever needed to do that.

Refreeze5224 15 hours ago||
Nazis don't get good faith or the benefit of the doubt. I'm not censoring anyone, I am pointing out that you and other commenters here decided, apropos of nothing, to advocate for including racist and genocidal propaganda.

>Are you afraid because non-banned books and films told you they were bad, or because the people who produced those were afraid they were right and didn't want you to know that they were right?

How about you be more explicit, instead of hiding? You're saying shit like The Turner Diaries, a book that advocates for race war, white supremacy, and adoration of Hitler. You're saying the people who wrote those books might be right. You're saying the Nazis were right.

I know what you're doing, and you know what you're doing. As I said, fuck off with all that, no tolerance for the intolerant.

JoshTriplett 21 hours ago|||
> what if the collection consisted of the following?

As the only books in it? Then it'd be best marketed as the "white supremacist conspiracy theorist starter kit". Throw in Mein Kampf while you're at it.

Just because a book is controversial doesn't make it good. No books should be banned, ever. But some books don't need promoting in a curated collection, either. They're useful for people doing literature research and understanding certain subcultures, but unlike the first list, they're not something useful and interesting to promote to a mass market, which makes them not good choices for a project like this.

Books are comparatively tiny, as data goes. If you have the space for a comprehensive list of every book in the public domain, by all means include those in it. But if you're making a curated list of a handful of books, and it's that list? That's certainly a choice.

See also this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48549512

wincy 21 hours ago||
I started reading the Camp of the Saints precisely because people said I shouldn’t. It was a bad book, I couldn’t read more than a few chapters. But I think adults should be able to read whatever they want.
chipsrafferty 20 hours ago|||
You are free to read whatever you want. Doesn't mean it should be part of a curated collection in a light bulb
unselect5917 16 hours ago||
The 'curated collection in a light bulb' in your strawman fallacy contains books you could find prominently displayed in every mainstream bookstore's entranceway. Hardly banned by any reasonable definition. Pilpul not withstanding.

The opposite of 'banned books' making it false advertising.

DoctorOetker 18 hours ago|||
The Wikipedia page doesn't say anything about this book being "banned" or "censored"...
unselect5917 16 hours ago||
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jeffgreco 21 hours ago|||
It won't surprise most people here that this guy's past comments have a real weird focus on race!
protocolture 18 hours ago||
>for he or she is likely immersed in the same "banned books" media psyop as other Western News Consoomers.

Right everything is available freely unless you are a school student in which case you are a special class whom censorship can be practiced upon without any self reflection.

Its crazy I know, but maybe you are the one steeped in propaganda to the point where you have supported a bunch of anti speech, anti publishing laws, regulations and policies. And that, this lightbulb, such as it is, is designed specifically to avoid the censorship that you support?

Exoristos 18 hours ago||
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hdgvhicv 16 hours ago||
I was actually thinking this could be used to fight against US book bans and other preventions of freedom of speech

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/22/us-libraries...

NoMoreNicksLeft 16 hours ago||
What bans? Are the publishers banned from selling them, or are the buyers banned from buying them? Or both?
17383848 16 hours ago||
They are supposed to promote them with your tax money silly
el_io 16 hours ago|||
It's good to see someone in the internet respect my countries discission to ban books related to feminism, atheism, one which talks about the rape in madrasha and many other which are shadowbanned.
trhway 17 hours ago||
do you respect throwing acid into the uncovered face of a woman in a Taliban country? I hope not. And that would mean that you also do have cut-off on what cultures and laws to respect and which to not.
zacmps 17 hours ago||
This is the paradox of tolerance. There are a few suggested "resolutions", the most common being "tolerate everything except intolerance".
p-e-w 16 hours ago||
With “intolerance”, of course, being defined however the person advocating for this resolution pleases, making the outcome indistinguishable from any other form of authoritarianism.
Forgeties79 16 hours ago||
Can’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Generally speaking, tolerating other beliefs and opinions until it inflicts obvious harm or is itself intolerant is considered “good.”

It’s one of those things we will never get perfect but I find we generally do it well enough to continue advocating for it. The problems start when people with extremely polarized beliefs fixate on marginalized groups that are not actually causing issues (transphobia), or they find something incredibly fringe then deliberately twist it and use it for fear mongering (satanic panic). Neither is done in good faith. They’re looking for a tool to project their moral frameworks in an aggressive, invasive manner.

“Live and live” is a pretty good role of thumb to live by for most people in most cases

p-e-w 15 hours ago||
> “Live and [let] live” is a pretty good role of thumb to live by for most people in most cases

Absolutely nobody follows that rule. People just disagree on what is acceptable to inflict upon others with violence.

Forgeties79 11 hours ago||
Idk I have managed to live my whole life without inflicting violence on others. Literally never been in a physical altercation.
p-e-w 10 hours ago||
Well, presumably you outsource the job of inflicting violence to others, like most people do. Voting for pretty much any political candidate is equivalent to doing so.
Forgeties79 7 hours ago|||
And every time you use hackernews you’re contributing to the climate crisis in some form or other. These kinds of comments are not productive.
p-e-w 7 hours ago||
There’s a difference between the two.

All politics is based on violence because violence is how laws are enforced. Thus by participating in politics (which includes voting), one implicitly endorses violence.

By contrast, an online service is not “based on destroying the climate”, that’s at best an unfortunate side effect, and possibly not even that as there are plenty of hosters that are climate neutral now.

More importantly, the fact that Internet infrastructure is damaging to the climate is widely recognized as a problem and there is a large-scale effort to fix it. There isn’t an effort to remove violence from the state though; the state is effectively defined by violence and anyone who supports the modern state in any way is inflicting violence by proxy.

takipsizad 4 hours ago|||
if you genuinely think "All politics is based on violence " please do not participate in political discussions
Forgeties79 6 hours ago|||
> By contrast, an online service is not “based on destroying the climate”

And my voting is not based on doing violence to others, and I don’t have a reasonable alternative, and we both know the consequences even if it’s not our intention to bring them about. You are drawing your own line in the sand and sorting things into arbitrary categories on either side of the line. This debate is pointless, so I’m moving on. Have a good one mate.

mystraline 21 hours ago||
In the USA, the books that are banned are for public schools. They talk about topics like (gasp) LGBTQ and sex things!

Now where the USA censors routinely is financial censorship. If you can afford the thing thats fincially banned, the sure, its not banned. But if you cant afford it, youre screwed.

And, if you work for a company, they can fire you for any/no reason, INCLUDING your speech off work.

In the USA, its "freedom of speech" if youre independently wealthy. If not, hope you dont offend power.

NoMoreNicksLeft 16 hours ago|
>In the USA, the books that are banned are for public schools. They talk about topics like (gasp) LGBTQ and sex things!

The book that is commonly at the number one spot on "banned book" lists has what would always be called hardcore pornography in the middle of the book. It depicts fellatio literally (not just implying it). It has no educational value, and is meant, within its context, to be erotic/lewd. I can link directly to it on archive.org, I can link to that exact page even. I do that sometimes in these arguments, and I'm downvoted until my comment is hidden but not before a bunch of jackasses say "and what does it matter"...

Sorry, don't want my 10 yr old looking at it in the school library. No, take that back... I'm not sorry. And you're all awful people for wanting that in the school library. Or dumb for not realizing that it's in the book. What I've come to realize as I've gotten older, is that some people think they have a right to show smut to my young children behind my back and want to call me a Nazi if I object.

bloak 12 hours ago|||
Are we talking about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looking_for_Alaska#Author's_re...

(I've not read it, of course, and don't know whether I'd consider it inappropriate for school libraries. However, it sounds like it was not intended as pornography and therefore isn't pornography according to some narrow definitions of that term. In any case, school libraries have such tiny budgets and there are so many uncontroversial good books in the world I can see why they might want to give this one a miss.)

mystraline 9 hours ago||
NoMoreNicksLeft conveniently left out the (singular!) banned book they were referring to. I believe that was by intent, to make the strawman unassailable.

And its easy to attack books in k-12 school libraries. The hard conservative christians attack DEI, sexuality, suicide, witchcraft, and other things regularly.

However, we are also seeing direct attacks on funding with public libraries.

https://michiganadvance.com/2025/06/23/local-michigan-librar...

They almost had their funding yanked to keep librarians from putting LGBTQ books on the shelves. These christian nationalists would rather destroy public libraries than allow (gasp!) books on subjects they dont like.

And as far as I can tell, the solution as of May 21 2026, was that the 4 republicans on the board voted to segregate all the aforementioned topics to the adult section. They also voted to remove the ALA's Library Bill of Rights. And who is this "They" who rewote it? "Alliance Defending Freedom", a christian nationalist group known for LGBTQ hatred.

https://thelivingstonpost.com/guest-column-cromaines-mass-re...

And all of this shit is in the name of children and "harmful to minors". (Geeee, where have we seen this using children for terrible shit before? Perhaps age verification?)

Im not always for democrats, as many of them are statist stooges as well. But book banning and threatening to shut down libraries is well within fascist and nazi regimes.

NoMoreNicksLeft 8 hours ago||
https://archive.org/details/gender-queer-a-memoir-by-maia-ko...
mystraline 7 hours ago||
Your one page shocker doesnt address anything I said. It just shows how sexually backwards you want older children and young adults to be.

From Wikipedia the book is intended for 12-18, or a better description, someone who is going through or has gone through puberty. This is the same age where children start to learn themselves and others as a sexual beings we are. And in Judaism, a 12 year old IS an adult, religiously speaking. Bar|Bat mitzvah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Queer:_A_Memoir

And even in the US across most (all?) states, a 16 year old can legally have sex. Pictures however are "child porn" or csam, for fuck-if-i-know reason. But sex? 100% legal.

And again, *pretending* this doesnt exist, or hiding or destroying this knowledge is NEVER a good solution. Adolescents are going to get knowledge. Id rather them get the correct knowledge, rather than slop, misinformation, or worse. And its even harder for LGBTQ folks. So much hate (by people like you) have been aimed at us. We've got a tough path. We would rather accurate descriptions be shown, rather than shit like Chick Tracts.

But ive dealt with people like yourself who use shame and disgust when talking about sex. Ive also seen where that leads, and how utterly backwards and ignorant those adult children are. And that ignorance of sex is actually more dangerous than 'harming' their sensibilities.

Thats how you get rape and sexual assault, by not talking of consent. Thats how you get pregnancy, by not talking how sperm and eggs work. Thats how you get STDs, by not discussing sexual diseases and how to protect yourself from them.

At one job I worked at (food service), had a 19 year old woman think if she had sex standing up, the semen would run out of her vagina and she wouldnt get pregnant. 2 months later, she was pregnant.

Another job in food service I worked at hired a 18 year old lady who was heavily indoctrinated by extremist christian home schooling. She didnt even know the definition or how sex worked. Her parents kept it from her. She ended up asking her coworkers on breaks what it was about. We all recognized the severe harm done to her, and tried to help where we could. Questions she asked that we couldnt answer, we directed her to the public library. (These days, the cristian nationalist trash types dont even want that to be an avenue.)

The underlying theme with your comments and invoking shame points that you support the utterly failed approach of abstinence only education. Everywhere its tried is an abject failure. https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/abstinence-only-e...

And Id say that you are harming your children more by arbitrary abstinence, than by actual education. Shocker image or no.

mystraline 10 hours ago|||
Nice strawman you constructed. However, it was burning the moment you put it together.

Its easy to say that pornography and smut are the only things banned in school and public libraries, as your claim. But thats easily demonstrably false.

One only need to look at the American Library Association's banned list

https://www.ala.org/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10

What do we see? Descriptions of sexual acts? Well, some. But we also see horrific accounts of sexual slavery, high schooler life troubles including suicide, a comic called 'Gender Queer', depictions of magic (read: non-abrahamic occult practices).

In general, anything that doesnt fit the puritanical hard right wing christian gets threatened with bans, with great scruitiny on LGBTQ, sexuality, mysticism, suicide, and real troubles of young adults in high school.

But its completely disingenuous to says 'oh its just smut'. No. Its censorship for people who cant vote, and have no power. And the censorship is done by adults who want to pretend that not having a LGBTQ book will make young adults 'not gay' or some bullshit.

> What I've come to realize as I've gotten older, is that some people think they have a right to show smut to my young children behind my back and want to call me a Nazi if I object.

'Young children' are like 5 or 6. And no, its not a "right to show smut". Its having these books on the shelf in a age-appropriate way. These christian nationalist types are targeting anything related to anti-christian sentiments, DEI, LGBTQ themes of any sort, and whatever else falls in the sights of these worse-than-nazi folks.

Even a picture book that says a friend has 2 dads (and elementary way to relate) is banned. And those are real situations children will deal with, book or no. Im not saying to an 8 year old to read "The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty", either. But if they look up basic LGBTQ books cause they feel different, yeah, they should be able to.

Also, I think it would behoove you to learn your history, especially with the original nazies. One of the first libraries they dismantled and burnt was the https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissen... or a university for sex medical studies. Some of the first trans research was done there. And anyone who wants to destroy knowledge is an enemy of me.

NoMoreNicksLeft 8 hours ago||
https://archive.org/details/gender-queer-a-memoir-by-maia-ko...
Guthwine 3 hours ago||
This is a 240 page book and the page you are linking to is more than half way in. No teen is reading this far in and frankly probably wouldn't even pick up a MEMOIR called GENDER QUEER unless the story resonates with them already.

This is besides the point, but did you read the surrounding pages? The main character doesn't advocate for sexual activity of any kind, they actually seem to lose interest and proceed to display positive emotional communication skills by telling their partner of their disinterest?

mystraline 1 hour ago|||
> No teen is reading this far in and frankly probably wouldn't even pick up a MEMOIR called GENDER QUEER unless the story resonates with them already.

Exactly this. I remember how much hatred and strive was back in my high school days, with "fa@@ot" tossed around with anything not masculine. As a clarinet player, I got that a LOT. (Evidently the F word auto-kills a post. Hello, context matters.)

If a middle or high schooler is even so much as picking this book up, means theyre trying to cope with their own sexuality, that folks like NoMoreNicksLeft tremendously shames and demeans.

> This is besides the point, but did you read the surrounding pages?

We both know that answer. Of course they didnt. They gravitated to the single shocker image, and even ignored the shocker image of asexual feelings and how they're OK.

Ive been fighting against these types of christian nationalists for decades. I remember when Reagan called HIV a gay disease, cut funding, and said 'God would solve it'.

Killing us doesnt work, cause straights end up having children who are LGBTQ. And no amount of conversion therapy (sexual assault, seriously) or abstinence, or active denial of library materials will ever get rid of LGBTQ.

Hell, even Muslim nationalist nations can execute gay people, and there will still be gay people.

But this is the fight and the hatred we deal with on a weekly, and sometimes daily routine.

GreenSalem 20 hours ago|
Some books deserve to be banned.

I would put Kevin MacDonald's antisemitic trilogy The Culture of Critique, the Turner Diaries ( which calls for mass extermination of non-white groups in the USA ) and Mein Kampf in the realm of books that should be shunned.

adrian_b 12 hours ago||
"Mein Kampf" is actually a very interesting lecture for any critical mind, like also The Holy Bible is a very interesting lecture for any atheist.

"Mein Kampf" is a good example of well written propaganda.

Like any good propaganda, it starts from true facts, so the first part of the book describes real problems of the society at that time (most of which are again problems of the present society).

The real problems would capture the attention of the readers, who were heavily affected by them in their own real lives.

Also like any good propaganda, from the true premises the book transitions to conclusions that do not result from the premises, but are falsely claimed to do so, and then solutions to the false conclusions are presented as if they will solve the problem described by the true premises (i.e. life is bad => the reason why it is bad is because there exist Jews => eliminate them and life will become good).

The same propaganda scheme from "Mein Kampf" is frequently applied today, but usually the Jews are replaced by China or by legal immigrants or by illegal immigrants or by people supporting another political party, always failing to identify the real culprits for the "life is bad" premises.

I do not agree that any propaganda books must be banned based on the condescending idea that humans are stupid, but I believe that it should be mandatory that any propaganda book should be accompanied by a well-written rebuttal, which should explain where the book in lying and why its conclusions are wrong, for the benefit of those less experienced, who might not notice these facts themselves.

left-struck 20 hours ago|||
If I, as a person who is firmly opposed to racism, wishes to read the Turner Diaries, why shouldn’t I be allowed to? Do you really think some stupid book by some racist wackjob is going to sway my deepest values? Can you not imagine a legitimate reason why I would want to read such a book? For example, to see what these people are thinking so I can be better prepared to answer their arguments if I’m ever forced to argue with one?

I understand your discomfort with these books, and I actually agree that they deserve to be banned, but banning is not what we should do.

iberator 18 hours ago|||
Why would you ban Main Kampf? Have you ever even read it?

Its ultra important for historical/social and linguistic education.

I read it when I was 14, and I'm from Poland.

It is AWFUL and PAINFUL to read due to the horrible styling - which amuses me to this day. :) That's why no need to ban it hehehe

Nowadays books are for intellectuals, not for the masses... That's why I would be ok for any modern teenager to read anything 18+ or anti-whatever books :) It's net positive no matter of content IMO.

p-e-w 20 hours ago||
Some people categorically oppose the death penalty, others oppose the death penalty “except when it’s justified”.

I guess when it comes to Freedom of Speech, you fall into the latter category.