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Posted by _tk_ 5 days ago

Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers(www.theregister.com)
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resters 4 days ago|
While there is some irony in the AI is dangerous marketing Anthropic uses, the main story here is that the Trump administration is apparently retaliating against Anthropic for refusing to relax certain safeguards. Trump and Hegseth have both posted highly immature, vindictive social media posts.

Most notably, any default assumption one might have had that the Trump administration can be counted upon to act in good faith should be viewed at this point as completely false. Even conservative legal scholars like Richard Epstein are shocked at the bad faith conduct across many areas.

This is a government making an authoritarian move to sabotage one of the top US AI companies. It's pure sabotage, nothing else.

draw_down 4 days ago|
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ltononro 4 days ago||
This is one of the things I am most afraid of. Governments can break the progress of AI and this could be a bubble burster?
MarkusQ 4 days ago|
If it is a bubble, shouldn't we _want_ it to burst, and the sooner the better?

If the price for tulips had falling back to something reasonable in week two, or if the US markets had had a decent correction in '97, everyone but the wild speculators would have been better off.

MarkusQ 4 days ago||
Did I touch a nerve?
hmokiguess 4 days ago||
Damn, I was hoping for another three words "make no mistakes"
caseysoftware 4 days ago||
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thousandflowers 5 days ago||
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greenoracle9 5 days ago||
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pixel_popping 4 days ago||
Of course it isn't about that, what we see online in the "news" is completely irrelevant with reality in most cases, it's exhausting to see people parroting what giant corps & gov are saying as if it's not extremely well crafted and plain false or deceptive most of the time. It's not even about politic left or right, both sides are acting completely dumb about it, look at Google trends, people are literally being "switched" topic at scale just because a news is saying something, it's absurd. Reading a news shouldn't affect your behavior for the coming months if you have common sense.

This TechCrunch (https://techcrunch.com/2026/06/15/the-us-governments-anthrop...) article is a typical example of something to completely ignore and trash, the picture is the US president doing a weird face which means it's not even here to inform you, it's clearly rage-bait, not professional and incompetent obviously, I'm not from the US and when I see this, it makes me feel that those journalists are really pathetic and anyone following journalists that do so probably don't have much discernment in life.

My personal opinion is that it makes sense so the US remain a superpower by forcing tech businesses and research to move/re-incorporate to the US so practically anything "new" will always be US Made. If we assume that better models means more revenues for any company in the future, then US will always have an edge if they lock everything down, but it's a risky bet.

babelfish 4 days ago||
It is crazy to debate whether this is 'left or right' when the right holds all 3 branches of government
malfist 4 days ago|||
Nuance like "one party holds all branches of government" really gets in the way of BSABSVR
idle_zealot 4 days ago|||
It's the same news that lied under Biden and Obama too. This predates the appointment of Bari Weiss as Ministry of Truth auditor.
DennisP 4 days ago|||
> it makes sense so the US remain a superpower by forcing tech businesses and research to move/re-incorporate to the US so practically anything "new" will always be US Made.

It's difficult to see how this motivates AI companies to relocate to the US, since US companies are the ones subject to bans.

pixel_popping 4 days ago||
That's just a temporary thing, what might happen is that only US companies will be able to subscribe to US models from Anthropic, OpenAI and so-on, this is what's relevant, the users of AI and its implications aren't Anthropic, it's the companies running Anthropic models, and if a company based outside of the US can't have the latest model, then they'll always lag behind.
ericmay 4 days ago|||
What makes it a risky bet?
swatcoder 4 days ago|||
The assumptions are that

* "better models" will remain so signficantly more profitable for firms that have access to them that that they're effectively a "must have" for big orgs, rather than a grossly overpriced marginal gain

* said better models will only be attainable by orgs in US jurisdiction, rather than by foreign alternatives that come to be either independently or through a legally clever "cleaving" of a US-jurisdiction business interest that wants access to an eager international market

If either of those are wrong, restricting Anthropic et al to only sell to the domestic market is effectively a poison pill that makes it much harder for them to meet growth and profitability objectives and could see them lose their market-leading position sooner and more thoroughly than if they retained access to a larger market and had more flexibility.

everforward 4 days ago||||
The dual risks of either a) accidentally pushing a foreign competitor into the lead and losing dominant status, or b) pushing the underlying companies hard enough that they decide to relocate.

a) is specifically the risk that the export controls push companies in other countries to prefer non-US models due to the lowered risk of getting cut off from a model. The increase in revenue for non-US AI providers combined with the drop in revenue for US AI providers allows non-US providers to double down on training and reach parity or exceed US SOTA models.

b) is sort of self-explanatory. Same model as above, but when the US AI providers start seeing the revenue drop they decide to relocate internationally instead. The US would probably try to stop that, no idea how successful they would be.

ericmay 4 days ago||
> a) accidentally pushing a foreign competitor into the lead and losing dominant status

But then the foreign competitor would stop the proliferation of their model and we would just go back and forth - American companies could "release" their model and after time gain the advantage back using the same tactics that the foreign competitor used.

> b) pushing the underlying companies hard enough that they decide to relocate.

This sounds like a reasonable risk to identify, but I would just say that it's not super clear-cut where you would relocate to.

pixel_popping 4 days ago||||
Because it would really increase the interest for Chinese/EU models and would even create real incentives to build models outside of the US.
ericmay 4 days ago||
Perhaps, but it seems unlikely to me that China will release anything substantial to the general global public either, because they, like the US, would want to keep that capability in-country for national security reasons.

I suspect that this is true for any nation with sufficient AI capabilities.

red-iron-pine 4 days ago|||
risk
drivebyhooting 4 days ago||
I could accept those mental gymnastics 4 months ago. But I’m afraid the quagmire in Iran has disillusioned me of any competency the administration might have.

Trump and co are not playing 4D chess. It looks more and more like 1D checkers.

convolvatron 4 days ago||
I think a lot of this discussion is just off base. if you assume that the administration is actually trying to govern the country, then yes it seems really keystone cops. but if your point is to use the federal government to accomplish your personal goals (i.e. taking over Venezuela), then things kind snap back into focus a little. but we argue about what the plan is, and how people are going to win elections and all sorts of charmingly naive things. by the time trump leaves he'll have built an international cabal of thieves working at all levels of many governments. he doesn't give a shit about the presidency in and of itself at all. maybe he'll have a stooge for president, maybe not, but he'll have what he wants.
aaron695 5 days ago||
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FergusArgyll 5 days ago||
Whatever your favorite story is it has to live with the fact that the CEO of Amazon called the White House freaking out
ceejayoz 5 days ago||
Amazon is a competitor to Anthropic.
FergusArgyll 5 days ago||
Not really, they don't train their own (serious) models and they do a lot of hosting for Anthropic. iirc Anthropic trained a model on Trainium
ceejayoz 5 days ago|||
They're still a competitor, even if that competition isn't going all that well for them so far.

Musk's hosting stuff for Anthropic, too. Still competing with them. Samsung makes stuff for Apple and Android devices. Lots of this in the industry.

The CEO of Amazon is not a neutral actor in this scenario.

winstonp 4 days ago|||
I don't believe Anthropic trains on Trainium, only serves models on it.
ttctciyf 5 days ago||
Clearly Amazon don't want their code fixed.
ReptileMan 5 days ago|
All of this could have been avoided if anthropic had anyone with common sense to point out that when you spend 4 month loudly claiming how dangerous your knowledge is as a marketing campaign could backfire by bringing attention from the authorities.