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Posted by neilfrndes 1 hour ago

Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness(www.theverge.com)
164 points | 59 comments
sowbug 40 minutes ago|
You might ask why motion sickness even exists in the first place. Why do nausea and vomiting make sense when your body is in a car or on a boat? Nobody knows for sure, but there's a convincing theory.

Zillions of years ago, we were foragers. We ate what we found. And if we ate something bad, like a poisonous berry, we could die. One of the first symptoms of neurotoxin ingestion is that your eyes lose their tracking ability. And an easy way for your body to detect this is when your eyes and ears (vestibular system) disagree about your body's position and motion in space.

So we presumably evolved a simple rule:

    if (eyes != ears) { vomit(); }
Which gets that bad berry right back out of the system.

This is why these Android and Apple gadgets work: they restore visual cues helping your eyes match what your ears are telling you. It's why looking at the horizon on a boat helps. And it's why reading in the car gets some people so horribly sick.

dylan604 29 minutes ago||
> And it's why reading in the car gets some people so horribly sick.

As a kid, I was told to turn 90° so that the back and forth of my eyes reading were in line with the motion of the car. This was soooo before any kind of electronic devices. Hell, the radio in the car still had the giant push buttons for saving stations.

yjftsjthsd-h 3 minutes ago||
...and did it work?
throw310822 23 minutes ago|||
Let me add: I wonder if that's the reason the sight of puke immediately makes me want to vomit too. If you're in a group of people you probably all ate the same stuff. Better to vomit as soon as the first start to feel sick than wait for your turn- it might be too late then.
raverbashing 24 minutes ago||
> It's why looking at the horizon on a boat helps.

Yes it helps. As in getting you back to "barely normal". (Also you can't do anything around the boat because you're looking at the horizon)

The theory make sense but some people have the thing turned to 11

sowbug 16 minutes ago||
Once it starts for me, it's not stopping for at least a couple hours, even if I immediately get back on solid ground.

But I used to get sick playing Quake, so maybe I'm in the 11 group.

aaarrm 3 minutes ago||
My partner got some goofy glasses with liquid in them to help him use his phone in the car.

He only had to wear them for a week or two before his motion sickness from cars was completely cured. Now he can just use his phone, without the glasses, in the car whenever he wants

40four 1 hour ago||
Never knew this feature existed! I’ve gotten this type of motion sickness my whole life, so I’m excited to try it out. It would be nice if it’s effective for me.

I get the same type of nausea described by the author. I can’t read a book or look at a screen for too long without a feeling awful. I can also get it just from sitting in a rear passenger seat, especially if vehicle has poor visibility, and even worse with a bad driver. I have to really focus on looking outside the vehicle at the moving world.

Interestingly, I think there are people that have the opposite type of motion sickness. For example, my mom could never play arcade racing games without getting nauseous. The issue being focusing on a screen with rapidly moving objects and everything else in the peripheral being fixed, versus focusing on a fixed object and everything in the peripheral moving. She never had any issue reading a book in a moving car

MBCook 21 minutes ago||
They added it a few years ago. I tried it for about 30 seconds and was so annoyed by how distracting I found it I turned it off and never did again.

I just don’t use the phone when a passenger in a car.

If it works for you and doesn’t bother you as much as me, go for it! I wouldn’t be surprised that it works.

fecal_henge 57 minutes ago||
Maybe for christmas you could get your mom a multi axis driving simulation rig.
xattt 46 minutes ago||
Any recommendations? I searched, but not sure if the results that come up are just white-boxed versions of the same thing.
mmcclure 12 minutes ago||
As a kid I didn't get carsick at all. I could work on my laptop, read, whatever while my parents drove. As an adult, at some point I started to barely be able to do anything but keep my eyes on the road without feeling bad.

Turned these on recently, and they work bizarrely well...unfortunately. Downside is that I feel like I lost an excuse to avoid devices for a few minutes while traveling.

advisedwang 1 hour ago||
Seems like there's a few android equivalents:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.panshen.mo...

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid...

And even one that claims to work with sound:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.a1...

EDIT: Actually there's an enormous number of apps like this, many released very recently with similar style etc. Weird.

Pfhortune 1 hour ago||
If you're like me and want an open or non-google-play alternative to these, this is available on F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/dev.davidv.motionsickness/

I can't vouch for it (yet) but am going to give it a try!

jerlam 48 minutes ago|||
It's been rumored that Google would build it into Android for years:

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-motion-cues-pixels-n...

I've tried some of those Android equivalents and they seemed to work on any motion, not on acceleration like the Apple one.

Cider9986 12 minutes ago|||
I've found Kinestop to be much more effective and immediate than Apple's, highly recommend.
ramraj07 32 minutes ago||
Be careful with these apps. The permissions they ask for are quite expansive.
Cider9986 13 minutes ago|||
Absolutely, which is why I really appreciate the network permission on GrapheneOS. It makes me more comfortable to allow other permissions knowing no data can be exfiltrated.
Groxx 7 minutes ago|||
It's wild to me that "internet access" is not revokable or even displayed in the Play Store in stock Android. It's such a huge security and privacy concern, even if most apps semi-legitimately need it.

Or, it would be wild, if it weren't fairly obvious that this is just Google protecting their mobile ad revenue.

nopakos 4 minutes ago|||
Network permissions could be used to avoid ads on Android. The horror!
sowbug 23 minutes ago|||
You're correct, but there's a good reason: they need to draw over other apps to do what they do. So it's not necessarily nefarious. But it is an excellent reason to build the functionality into the OS.

(The reason the permission is so dangerous is they can trick you into pressing the wrong button by relabeling dangerous text with innocuous text.)

tombert 13 minutes ago||
During long road trips, back before iPhones and the like, my mom would have us pick out a book and buy it for us to read to keep us entertained while driving.

That worked fine for me, I've never gotten carsick, but for my sister could never do that; after reading for not much time, she would start feeling nauseous. Initially I think my parents thought she was exaggerating to get attention, but eventually she puked in the car because of it and they suddenly had no issue believing her.

It eventually led to them buying a cheap TV/VCR combo and a cheap power inverter for the cigarette lighter and using that for road trips, which didn't seem to bother her very much.

apparent 12 minutes ago||
Dunno if they work, but these glasses [1] supposedly help with motion sickness as well

1: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/motion-sickness-g...

NBJack 12 minutes ago||
I find using something that puts a display right in front of me also works, like Xreal glasses. I'm not super susceptible to car sickness, but it has hit me in the past. However, with a "heads up display", I never even feel the early warning signs.
MattIPv4 1 hour ago||
I can unfortunately report that these dots have not helped me in cars or trains; anything more than a few seconds looking at a screen during a journey will ensure I feel awful until I have an opportunity to sit or lie still for quite a while after. To be fair, even facing backwards on a train usually makes me sick rather rapidly.
apparent 14 minutes ago|
I wonder if this could work on computers, not just smartphones/tablets. Presumably so, assuming they have enough motion sensors. Could a third party dev build it, or is it something that only Apple can build?
ms7m 13 minutes ago|
This works really well in the Tesla Ubers here in NYC when i'm working on my MacBook :)
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