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Posted by ricochet11 1 day ago

Midjourney Medical(www.midjourney.com)
https://www.midjourney.com/medical

Video: https://x.com/midjourney/status/2067422898407837797

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jdw64 1 day ago|
Why is everyone so negative about this? Getting a CT or X-ray and then having AI do early screening on cases that doctors can pass along doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.
ajyoon 1 day ago||
People are responding negatively to what looks very much like vaporware from a company stepping way outside its domain into medical imaging with a bizarrely positioned announcement post. Medical imaging is a very active field of research with many brilliant minds working on it. If this were truly an MRI killer, they would not be announcing it as a spa.
jdw64 1 day ago|||
After reading to what you said and thinking about it seriously, I do think there were some parts that were too unrealistic. I considered a few things, such as whether the cost of data transmission during streaming, that is, the cost of constructing an entire human body from this single slice, is actually reasonable. Thanks for your comment.
jdw64 1 day ago|||
When I think of 'YAMAHA's case, I believe they can fully realize their own ideas. These people are mainly experts in image-related fields, right? And we're talking about image AI—which, in practice, needs to recognize the characteristics of objects—so it seems to me that it's a fairly relevant field. But since you're more of an expert than I am, your opinion probably carries more weight.
tptacek 1 day ago|||
It is in fact very probably a bad idea. A good search term here is "incidentaloma". The balance of evidence currently appears to suggest that full body scans for asymptomatic patients are a net negative for health.
nihonde 1 day ago|||
How brainwashed by the healthcare machine do you have to be to think that catching asymptomatic medical issues is a bad thing? The argument against is literally:

- patients will worry too much, and - it will cost time and money to investigate.

Both spurious rationales cooked up by an industry that is at least as hostile to humanity as it is helpful.

tptacek 1 day ago|||
Yes, it's the healthcare industry's fault, they're brainwashing me into not getting more procedures. Sounds very plausible.
nihonde 1 day ago||
Insurance companies dislike paying for procedures instead of passively collecting premiums. Not sure how you missed that.
hawkice 15 hours ago||
Exposing asymptomatic potential issues leads to medical care that often does not meet out standards for medical tradeoffs. Chemo is nasty, even the most minor surgery has risks. We endure the risks because we are addressing either major health issues or other dire uncertainties. Using our heavy duty treatments for issues without any symptoms at all would, normally, cause the patient suffering in excess of what would be justified. Chemo is a life saver when it's saving lives -- if the alternative is no symptoms, it just ruins your life for a profoundly uncertain upside.
roarcher 2 hours ago||
If you seriously think this is a realistic scenario, you should call your doctor and tell him you've decided you have cancer and would like to order chemotherapy. See what he says.

Nobody is deciding for themselves to do chemo because they think something looks funny on a scan. All the scan gives them is a reason to talk to their doctor, who will do all the usual due diligence before deciding on treatment, if any.

And on the flip side, I hear stories all the time of people who DO have symptoms but they get dismissed by their doctor as stress or food allergies or whatever until it's too late. Maybe if patients were armed with a scan that shows a mass at the site of their abdominal pain, there would be fewer of these horror stories.

john_strinlai 10 hours ago|||
>The argument against is literally:

- patients will worry too much, and - it will cost time and money to investigate.

you forgot one more, which is subjecting people to potentially risky procedures for things that were not a health risk in the first place.

abtinf 1 day ago||||
Those claims are extremely suspect and completely support the current rationing and power structure of healthcare.

But, even granting they could be true, they would be true under the status quo.

Sure, a one off full body scan might be scary and lead to unnecessary action. But if a technology of the sort being described here were to exist, you would just get daily (or more frequent) scans to monitor the situation. Is that tumor actually growing or is it just a transient thing your immune system is dealing with? Way easier to tell if imaging is cheap, fast, and frequent.

And then there is the data.

No one knows what is actually going on in our bodies. If we had the ability to do billions of scans, imagine the longitudinal studies that could be performed.

It would radically alter medicine.

throwawayben 20 hours ago||||
couldn't it be different when scanning becomes very cheap and quick and it's the delta over n scans that gives signal?
jdw64 1 day ago|||
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nonethewiser 1 day ago||
Because a lot of the hatred for AI is just hysteria.
Ameo 22 hours ago||
Hell yeah, my AI image generation company is now running an alternative medicine AI MRI-alternative imagine spa. Hell yeah.
ChildOfChaos 22 hours ago||
Well that's certainly an interesting pivot, when Midjourney where set to announce hardware, who predicted this?
razorbeamz 1 day ago||
This is absolutely a scam. Seems incredibly fishy.
cryo32 1 day ago||
Sounds like programmers woke up from a fever dream and decided they can come up with an idea and flesh out the details later.
ali_m 21 hours ago||
This is surely trolling? "Fullbody Ultrasonic Computational Tomography" has quite the acronym..
harrouet 21 hours ago||
I have seen AI projects to convert a tomography into actual 3D models.

Not easily, but not an unexplored field either.

rasmus1610 21 hours ago||
we don't even need AI for that: https://3dqlab.stanford.edu/what-is-volume-rendering/
mirthflat83 21 hours ago||
We had this for a long time
danso 14 hours ago||
At the surface level, this sounds very similar to Theranos's mission: create a non-invasive testing method that replace traditionally invasive/costly testing methods so successfully that it becomes silly not to gather and sample as much of your health data as possible, in the hopes that more data will eventually translate to better diagnostics.

Of course Theranos failed because they faked the testing tech (and allegedly also the test results) during their failed journey in developing their novel testing tech. Ostensibly, Midjourney is not going down that path, but I wonder why Midjourney thinks its brand is valuable when introducing this product? Because if someone were to accuse Midjourney of being the next Theranos, then Midjourney's fame for a AI-image generation service would slot in perfectly with a grift selling miraculously cheap body imaging tech.

bschwindHN 1 day ago||
Midjourney out there making the pool rooms a reality
qudat 15 hours ago|
Anyone know the song that's playing in the demo?
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