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Posted by ricochet11 3 days ago

Midjourney Medical(www.midjourney.com)
https://www.midjourney.com/medical

Video: https://x.com/midjourney/status/2067422898407837797

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kmoser 3 days ago|
> "Fullbody Ultrasonic Computational Tomography"

FUCT, huh? Genius marketing move.

Topfi 3 days ago||
This is very concerning:

> Normally, for every diagnostic medical capability you need FDA approval. We’re starting by just giving you detailed body composition maps — and we’ll be submitting regular test results to the FDA for increased capabilities.

Ah yes, just "detailed body composition maps", nothing major. It's just radiology, not like people spend years of extensive education and have to sign off on every finding, often lying awake at night that they may have missed something. It's easy, don't let the Doctorpolice tell you otherwise. Seems very ̶T̶h̶e̶r̶a̶n̶o̶s̶ familiar. Also, not saying em dash automatically denote LLM writing, but come on, this whole thing reads very slopgenerated.

I have questions in general.

Why Midjourney? Do they have expertise? Even if so, why reuse a name that doesn't exactly denote reliable, consistent or trustworthy output? Why start as a spa with fancy LED lights clearly focused on experience over selling/leasing the whole-body implementation to third parties? Is the latter actually theres, how exactly does the licensing deal look and again, why them? Have they got any type of independent data to back up any of their findings? This just has the smell of something that, a few years from now everyone will be astounded that anyone ever believed this to be possible, for it is so patently ridiculous.

Never been a fan of image generation models for a variety of reasons, but this is downright dangerous, no way about it. Even if the technology as licensed works well, there are very good reasons why operating an MRI and seeing patients is not something you can do, just because you can afford to buy one. There is expertise needed here that, if this was coming from an established Medical Clinic and backed by research I'd be skeptical for such a spa setup to overcome, but again, this isn't even that. Best case scenario, this causes a VC to go bankrupt before the "spa" open and gets a front page on the goop magazine, worst case, patients are harmed, families destroyed and a comparatively minor penalty is administered/a pardon bought.

Not an assessment on the underlying concept/technology mind you, just the way Midjourney of all people are going about this.

Applejinx 3 days ago||
This is not the AI branding I would associate with medical technology.

Oh hey look, I have the spleen of an elf! And my bones have a really nice cottage motif now.

jofzar 3 days ago||
This is the most "getting high on your own supply" I have ever seen.

What the hell are they talking about. This is no way real and a late April fools joke right? Right?

nom 3 days ago||
Not a joke, they really think that doing billions of full body scans will reduce healthcare costs and make people less anxious.

Any scientist not on the payroll will tell you the opposite. You will get millions of false positives, causing anxiety and unnecessary interventions. This has been studied extensively and we have the stats.

I too wish I could just jump into a machine every month and it declares me free of cancer. Instead it will find new irregularities every time with no easy way to confirm it's benign. This idea does not work.

jofzar 3 days ago||
Surely they have a paper or something on this?
tills13 3 days ago||
The app known for making shit up (as in: that's it's whole shtick)... Getting into medical advice?
potatoman22 3 days ago|
Generative models have been used in healthcare for a while for things like drug design and data generation. Not to mention all the algorithms (and probably ML) used in generating results for MRI and CT scans. I don't think this is that crazy provided they can prove it's effective.
noobermin 3 days ago||
You can't be serious about conflating a host of technologies with fucking image generation or all things. This is the worst HN comment I've seen in months and there's been loads of competition.
potatoman22 3 days ago||
I was trying to say there's precedent for using ML in this field. I don't think they even said this product is an image generation model. It's probably some ML version of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasound_computer_tomography

I also found this researcher on their staff who studies tomography https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=idvD2yYAAAAJ

tbryant 3 days ago||
Yesssssss, AI overlords put me in your dolphin technology powered human deep fryer.
alkyon 3 days ago||
We are at pets.com stage of AI bubble. This time the business model is LLM-generated, though.
joduplessis 3 days ago||
This looks remarkably dystopian.
esafak 3 days ago||
This is kind of cool shit that makes Silicon Valley great. Thanks for switching it up!
thorum 3 days ago|
I wish them all the best and hope they succeed, but can’t help but suspect they’ve fallen into deep LLM psychosis. Even if you assume they can build this thing and it works as described and then get past all the regulatory hurdles, the scale of infrastructure they’re talking about is enormous.
jrmg 3 days ago||
can’t help but suspect they’ve fallen into deep LLM psychosis

This is what came to my mind first too. It feels like the sort of thing you could come up with after a lot of ‘that’s a great insight!’, with the LLM eventually projecting absolute certainty that it’s a ground-breaking idea that’s definitely going to work.

I’m not sure whether I like that this is my knee-jerk reaction.

Do they have any sort of prototypes of this hardware that’s going to be working reliably in their custom-built spa in the notoriously difficult-to-get-permits-in San Francisco by the end of next year?…

randycupertino 3 days ago|||
> David Holz is the Founder & CEO of Midjourney, a generative artificial intelligence (AI)-powered platform that allows users to generate unique artwork such as characters, images and depictions through short text prompts.

I guess they pivoted from making ai-artwork to ultrasounds?

meric_ 3 days ago|||
They founded LeapMotion previously which was pretty big and totally unrelated to AI. They've been doing all sorts of shenanigans it seems
sberens 3 days ago|||
Also fmr cofounder of leap motion, which developed a mouse that didn't you to touch it!
nonethewiser 3 days ago|||
> can’t help but suspect they’ve fallen into deep LLM psychosis

What do you mean here?

The idea came from LLMs? They built this with LLMs?

devmor 3 days ago|||
They are probably referring to the very real and unfortunate phenomenon wherein people use LLMs as sounding boards without consulting other humans, current frontier LLMs being heavily sycophantic in their responses.

This tends to create a feedback loop where unsound ideas are amplified.

nonethewiser 3 days ago||
So the idea is Midjourney uses LLMs as a sounding board and came up with this idea?
da_grift_shift 3 days ago|||
Yeah. This is a "Long Blockchain"-tier pivot and it will go nowhere.

Current Vibes:

https://twitter.com/DavidSHolz/status/1883770659974889769

https://twitter.com/DavidSHolz/status/2040939992068096018

rellfy 3 days ago||
You can just build things
WalterGR 3 days ago||
“Just building” radiation emitters like CT scanners is a bad idea.
oompydoompy74 3 days ago||
This is ultrasound. You didn’t read the article. It’s perfectly safe.
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