Posted by Adam-Hincu 16 hours ago
I really don’t need the freshest view at once. Maybe I just need to look at an open email you dog of an app!
Why did they castrate Outlook? Does MS hate itself? What in the name of shit are they thinking? Who does this make happy?
If I do a search of my inbox with a lot of results, it gets lazy-loaded. Fair enough. But why, when I scroll to the bottom and it loads the new batch of email, does the view need to jump back to the top of the list?
Why has Gmail been able to recognize and properly group/deduplicate prior conversations in top-posted email threads for 20 years, but Outlook can't bother? That also breaks search, since every email with the result somewhere in its body (even prior emails) will appear.
No, that's a very uninformed take, and contradicted on two fronts:
1. Microsoft's other native apps have gotten unusably slow lately, too.
2. There's definitely plenty of fast web apps.
I don't mind snark, but make it factually accurate.
This is just Microsoft's poor strategic decision to try to drive as many as possible to Linux. Hell, weren't they bragging recently about managing to make opening the start menu take only a tenth of a second? It should be instant.
Maybe they think we'll replace users with AI, too. AI is the only thing slower than Microsoft's UIs lately.
That can be an issue for native apps too, but they tend to be designed in a local-first manner, which means that they'll always have a speed advantage, assuming your typical dev team.
That's not an inherent web-vs-native difference, though.
> That can be an issue for native apps too, but they tend to be designed in a local-first manner
That's a choice.
> which means that they'll always have a speed advantage
woah there. No.
> assuming your typical dev team
So it comes down to the developers (and project management, etc). Yup, I 100% agree with that.
So we agree that it's not a technical difference?
We have 4GHz computers with 8-16 cores, and it takes 100,000,000 cycles to show the start menu?
Edit: Corrected the scale factor.
That’s about 1,000 instructions per pixel of the Start Menu!
But in all seriousness, if MS really did believe in copilot, there would be no need to write webapp slop. They could just write native app slop.
Similar to Electron, but using an MS Edge browser window control as the webview control instead of Google Chrome.
It's lighter weight than Electron, if you consider that Webview2 ships with Windows and is shared with other Webview2 consumers as opposed to Electron apps which each ship with their own self-contained web browser.
Everybody I know uses IM systems like Wechat, WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal.
I'd love to see it though, because email really is long in the tooth at this point.
- I use my own domain, so I'm not tied to any single provider
- I can keep a copy of everything (I still have some emails from 30 years ago)