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Posted by leonidasrup 7 hours ago

Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants(www.bluewin.ch)
501 points | 309 commentspage 3
pfannl 5 hours ago|
Keeping the option open seems prudent. The hard part is winter reliability, not summer generation.
staticshock 3 hours ago||
While I'm sold on the fact that modern nuclear can be built & administered safely in the face of natural disasters, and is a net good environmentally, I'm worried about corporate cronyism's corrosive effects on safety (a la Fukushima) and future instability in the form of cornered animals (e.g. Putin, Trump) acting erratically by bombing civilian infrastructure.
lenerdenator 2 hours ago||
Tangentially related: the Swiss built a research-focused nuclear reactor in a cavern. It had a meltdown in 1969, and they were able to keep the decontamination/decommissioning efforts to a minimum by just entombing the thing in concrete.

Honestly, so long as the water table isn't too close, that's not a terrible place to put a nuclear reactor.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucens_reactor

megaman821 3 hours ago||
RemindMe! -20 year
whycome 6 hours ago||
Best way to provide power to a population over 10 million
JumpCrisscross 6 hours ago||
And if the world goes to shit again, having a baseline for building an Alpine nuclear deterrent isn't the worst thing to have on soil.
philipkglass 5 hours ago||
Switzerland has several operating nuclear reactors:

https://pris.iaea.org/PRIS/CountryStatistics/CountryDetails....

Switzerland also studied nuclear weapons production until 1988:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_and_weapons_of_mas...

If the Swiss thought it was in the national interest to exit the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and crash-develop a nuclear deterrent, I think that they could achieve nuclear breakout quickly.

JumpCrisscross 13 minutes ago||
Having people skilled in running versus building.
iso1631 5 hours ago|||
Best way for who?

Nuclear is vastly more expensive per MWh than renewables. It's better than pumping stuff out the ground sure, but that's about it.

iso1631 4 hours ago||
And as usual the nuclear brainwashed lobby on HN still think it's 1990 and nuclear is cost effective.

It can't cope with peaks. It has to generate the same power 24/7 to be anywhere near economical at two-three times the cost of solar+storage, so it either needs massive storage or massive overprovision

Lets say you have a peak demand of say 40GW but average demand of 600GWh a day (25GW), or 219TWh a year

Lets also say you have to shut down a plant for a week a year for maintenence

You need to build five, 10GW plants to meet your demand.

They provide 5 * 10GW * 24 hours * 7 days * 51 weeks or 428TWh.

If nuclear is $110 per MWh, that means it's going to cost you $47b a year to generate your power requirement, or $215 per MWh

So you're needing to roll out storage, same as you do for wind and solar, or spend twice as much on overproducing.

rz2k 5 hours ago||
I wonder if they’ll stagger their waking hours so that electric power consumption matches the inflexible output of nuclear reactors.
appplication 5 hours ago|||
If only there were a supplemental daylight-based power source that precisely matched peak output to waking hours.
IAmBroom 5 hours ago|||
Storage is a thing.
Arodex 5 hours ago||
If storage is a thing, then solar makes more sense.
firefax 5 hours ago||
One of the little gems the Russians pulled off in the twenty aughts when they were flooding nonprofits in the USA with dirty money was hijacking the green movement to promote fracking. (Because surely ANYTHING is better than those dastardly electrons or whatever the fuck radiation is made of)

Switzerland, unlike the USA, seems capable of safely operating these plants, and with advances in breeder technology new plants doesn't nessecarily mean new mining operations, which often are quite harsh on the surrounding area.

rsync 4 hours ago|
“Switzerland, unlike the USA, seems capable of safely operating these plants …”

I would have said that about the Japanese as well…

beanjuiceII 5 hours ago||
fantastic!
slackfan 6 hours ago||
Excellent.
Krasnol 3 hours ago||
...but nobody wants to build it: https://www.bluewin.ch/de/news/schweiz/die-schweiz-kann-wied...
ge96 3 hours ago|
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