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Posted by danabramov 6 days ago

There are no instances in ATProto(overreacted.io)
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MBCook 5 days ago|
When the first paragraph starts out by insulting people for not using the exact jargon you want them to, it really doesn’t make me want to read the rest.
Borrus-sudo 5 days ago||
great job explaining the concept!
ctdinjeu2 5 days ago||
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AsterXing 5 days ago||
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jheriko 5 days ago||
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HashThis 5 days ago||
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ChicagoDave 5 days ago|
This sounds like BlueSky without the user-directed self and grouped moderation tools.

That’s not censorship. It’s showing you the door if you’re a jerk.

And it sounds awful.

Melonai 5 days ago||
I'm pretty sure this comment is not written by AI, but those last few sentences really really made me think it is. It's a little sad that this type of antithesis now always has this AI-written connotation to it.

"That's not you cheating. It's you looking for emotional fulfillment. And frankly? That's courage."

HashThis 5 days ago|||
Hi. It wasn't written by AI. I wrote it
ChicagoDave 5 days ago|||
Well I was riffing off the xkcd free speech comic.

https://xkcd.com/1357/

Raed667 5 days ago||
Semi related post on why the moderation of federated Mastodon instances is a problem: https://blog.raed.dev/posts/mastodon_moderation
timbray 5 days ago|
To be fair, from 2022. I would argue that moderation in Fedi is holding together reasonably well. There are a few popular instances that lots of people think are overly aggressive/purist in their moderation policies, but the people using them seem to like what they're getting.
kajman 5 days ago||
I haven't used Mastodon, but my experience with Lemmy was a lot of petty fighting about who should be defederated. The OP's reference to warring fiefdoms was very spot-on for that scene. I imagine it's a huge turn off to casual, well-adjusted people exploring the space. But I wouldn't know.

There's, of course, another sort of grossness to corporate moderation from above, but at least with ATProto you can take your identity and content to another AppView, if it wasn't shown there already. AFAIK, any fediverse migration tooling requires a cooperative host server you haven't already been banned from.

inigyou 5 days ago||
was that lemmy.world? As you have discovered, some instances are full of drama. Such is the nature of decentralisation. If you don't have some parts of the network full of drama there's probably a central entity suppressing it.
jrm4 5 days ago||
Yes, and this is exactly why ATProto is worse and more dangerous. Instances are safer. precisely because they are more genuinely decentralized.

The ability to forever tie your stuff to a person, strongly, is exactly what the surveillance state would want.

Mastodon's model gives you plausible deniability. It's safer.

danabramov 5 days ago||
I'd say atproto gives you a clear sense of what's tied to each of your identities — you can go and explore your repo in a browser. There's nothing to say your identity has to be "tied to a person" anymore than your Mastodon account on some server is "tied to a person". It's true atproto has a "scraping is the default, so expect it" vibe, whereas maybe you're arguing Mastodon allows security by obscurity?
Melonai 5 days ago|||
I don't think I agree. There's nothing intrinsic about the PLC and PDS servers that tie an AT account tighter to your own identity, than an account on an ActivityPub instance in my opinion.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing by plausible deniability you mean that ActivityPub essentially forces you to shred your old account if you need to move instances? Apart from the fact that AT also doesn't impose a "one DID per human identity rule" (yet?), allowing you to move between AT identities and PDS instances as much as you like, there's no hindrance to anyone that really wants to track your account movement between AP accounts of they even slightly want to do so. By default ActivityPub leaves a little entry on your old account saying "the person behind this account move to instance so-and-so", which is what allows you to migrate your followers with you in the first place, but that leaves just as much of a trail than your DID moving from PDS to PDS, and if you want that message to not be there, giving you said plausible deniability, you're just back to creating fresh accounts every time, just like AT.

I mean I think it's hard to say that one platform is better than the other in that regard because the platforms are really really similar to each other from a broad perspective. If you take ActivityPub, break up the concept of an instance into one part that keeps the data and one part that shows the data, scrap the usernames in favor of random IDs, and stick a few more services in between, you've already arrived at the AT protocol, the oversimplification aside.

drdexebtjl 5 days ago||
Nothing is stopping you from making more identities, though?
NoGravitas 5 days ago|
This article is deeply, deeply misleading, in that it leaves out relays and appviews in all of its diagrams of the ATProto network. Like, are ATProto identities namespaced by instance/home-server like Mastodon or Matrix identities? No. Does who you are able to follow dependent on the appview you connect to? Yes. Are you able to run your own appview? Probably not (this answer has been upgraded from "No" in only the last few months).