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Posted by tosh 3 days ago

Munich 1991: The Roots of the Current AI Boom(people.idsia.ch)
189 points | 85 commentspage 2
throwa356262 5 hours ago|
Hot take:

The real root of the current AI boom is a master thesis from university of Toronto.

The thesis demonstrated that neural networks much longer than before could be trained by simply having a random fraction of the neurons excluded during forward and back propagation.

That's how we got practical deep neural networks. Without that we would still be in AI winter.

jacknews 12 hours ago||
Surely the roots, if we skip over the early preceptron work', are in backpropagation and Hinton, and the work going on at Edinburgh and elsewhere in the 80s.

Indeed I remember buying a set of three conference-papers-as-books around that time, titled Artificial Neural Networks .. proceedings of the whatever the conference was.

No doubt Schmidhuber made important contributions, but I see him pop up claiming to be the 'root' of it all every couple of years.

h8hawk 12 hours ago||
Hinton did not invent backpropagation.

related paragraph from Wikipedia:

Modern backpropagation was first published by Seppo Linnainmaa as "reverse mode of automatic differentiation" (1970)[26] for discrete connected networks of nested differentiable functions.[27][28][29]

In 1982, Paul Werbos applied backpropagation to MLPs in the way that has become standard.

ogrisel 10 hours ago||
Paul Werbos did not apply backprop to MLPs as cleanly described in Hinton's paper, but rather to some kind of autoregressive non-linear parametrized functions with a much more specific application scope.

Both papers are direct applications of the chain rule applied to estimate the gradient of a multivariate function.

hyttioaoa 11 hours ago|||
That's what bugs me about him. So much work has gone into today's models that calling his contributions "the root" isn't really warranted. He's always complaining that Hinton, LeCun, and Bengio get more credit than they deserve, and now he's over-claiming himself.
BoredPositron 10 hours ago||
Both can be right.
HarHarVeryFunny 6 hours ago||
They could be, but they really aren't.

Name a single aspect of something modern like the Transformer architecture or how it is trained, that is even indirectly attributable to Schmidhuber.

No doubt he'd be jumping up and down wanting to take credit for residual connections, but where was Schmidhuber in the ImageNet era when everyone else was discovering how to build deep neural nets? Why didn't Schmidhuber invent ResNets, but instead waited until someone else (Kaiming He) did, then claim credit for it?

I'll bet Schmidhuber isn't done with yet ... when someone eventually comes up with an architecture for AGI, Schmidhuber will come out of the woodwork and point to a note he made on a napkin in 1800 that predicted it all.

emil-lp 11 hours ago||
Surely the roots go back to Turing, Gödel, Hilbert, Frege, Leibniz, Aristoteles.
jongjong 8 hours ago||
It's crazy to think that if Elon Musk hadn't mentioned Schmidhuber, most people would have no idea.

It's nauseating how all the researchers who happened to work for big tech got tons of media coverage but Schmidhuber and his team were getting zero coverage yet they made massive contributions. I bet there are many others not mentioned.

Nobody even knows about Frank Rosenblatt. It's insane how distorted our perception of innovation is.

Even science has been corrupted. It makes one doubt every story we're told about who invented what.

gom_jabbar 7 hours ago||
Yes, Rosenblatt is another good example. I recently looked deeper into the development of the perceptron and it's absolutely fascinating.
ks2048 4 hours ago||
> Nobody even knows about Frank Rosenblatt.

Very Trump-like statement - "Not many people know this, but ...". Yes, I lot of people know this. Any class that even says a little about the history of NNs will talk about Rosenblatt and the Perceptron.

gom_jabbar 3 hours ago||
> Any class that even says a little about the history of NNs will talk about Rosenblatt and the Perceptron.

Sure. I think it starts to get more interesting when the influences that Rosenblatt explicitly cites in his seminal Perceptron paper (e.g. Hayek) become part of the discussion (which rarely happens in my experience).

queeshonda 3 hours ago||
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storus 7 hours ago||
Instead of focusing on the future, EU is busy rewriting history to please some eccentric researcher that claims he invented it all.
greggoB 6 hours ago||
How does the EU feature in TFA exactly?
storus 6 hours ago||
There seems to be a coordinated push around Schmidhuber all around media in the EU, even LinkedIn is full of "random" posts about him in the past week.
logicchains 4 hours ago||
You clearly aren't familiar with Schmidhuber if this kind of thing seems new to you. It's basically his thing.
impossiblefork 7 hours ago||
Schmidhuber isn't in the EU, nor Switzerland at the moment.
greenavocado 6 hours ago||
Schmidhuber will NEVER stop trying to aggressively preserve his relevance and its endlessly amusing. Good for him.
sagex 9 hours ago|
I believe invention of Transformers and especially Attention mechanism do have influence from past research but its not definitely only the Schmidhuber's work. Said that, if we remove the papers mentioned by Schmidhuber from history, I am quite certain that there will be no influence in the discovery of Transformers, hence his works can not be the root. He has to grow up and accept that work and equations can appear similar, looking at inverse squared law and saying Newton stole that from someone is being dishonest.