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Posted by iamnothere 9 hours ago

VPN ban update for UK households as government looks at 'age-gate'(www.birminghammail.co.uk)
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vld_chk 5 hours ago|
There is very little doubt that we need to find a way to update our relationship with social media. The evidence of their harm in current form is overwhelming.

However, using this reason to induce censorship rules, word by word matching Russia/China playbook is making the goal less achievable if anything.

rasengan 6 hours ago||
The UK can’t block Dissent [1] since it looks like normal HTTPS traffic.

[1] https://godissent.com

arbol 1 hour ago|
> The site’s content happens to include an HTTP/2 endpoint that, when presented with an anonymous authorization token, behaves as a VPN server’s outer layer

Is this not the fingerprintable aspect? Wouldn't you need to randomise the HTTP endpoint to avoid eventually being banned based on URI?

Cool idea btw.

dirasieb 6 hours ago||
maybe the UK should instead look into protecting women and girls being systematically abused and raped while the police and government cover it up
SilverElfin 4 hours ago||
Safetyism is the actual biggest threat to free societies
sandworm101 5 hours ago||
Don't panic. These debates are nothing new. Encryption and obfuscation tech comes up every ten years or so. People scream and, in the end, nothing changes.

One upon a time, encryption math was regulated as a munition and the act of sharing open source software was tantamount to weapon smuggling. Once upon a time, VPNs were being banned by credit card companies. Part of the rise of bitcoin was the idea that you would need it for services like VPNs that credit card companies refused to service. Today, VPNs are openly advertised as piracy tools for getting around media geo-restrictions. Once upon a time, ISPs throttled torrents and so torrents become encrypted. Once upon a time DNS was to be poisoned in order to block filesharing websites (see COICA and PROTECT IP acts). All those efforts also came to nothing. These too will die.

varispeed 7 hours ago||
This is all about pushing Digital ID by the backdoor and building surveillance state for benefit of corporations pretending to be against it.

https://www.lighthousereports.com/investigation/blair-and-th...

https://institute.global/insights/politics-and-governance/di...

big85 6 hours ago|
UK government has been talking about digital ID for a while now. The existing verification methods are too vulnerable to cheating (fake beards, fake ID, borrow dad's credit card, etc...), so the logical next step is direct government ID numbers. The goal is to link all online activity to a unique identifier to make it easier to punish dissent.
Redshanks1 6 hours ago||
Hopefully won't happen
emsign 7 hours ago||
Baffling how easy companies like Meta have it with politicians. Fuck them all, I'm leaving for the woods. It's been fun with tech but now it's just so painful,
vaylian 4 hours ago||
Talk to you on meshtastic.
varispeed 7 hours ago||
They have it easy, because law enforcement is too scared to act or is just as corrupt.
zrn900 7 hours ago||
The article below sharply summarizes why all this is a dystopian surveillance setup:

> how, precisely, do you stop a fourteen-year-old from opening Instagram without first checking the age of the forty-year-old?

> You don’t. You can’t. So everyone gets carded. Britain is lifting the system wholesale from Australia, where a computer first scans your face and guesses your age from your cheekbones, then, failing that, surveils you to death, studies your browsing habits and the hours you keep, and then, when the algorithm throws up its hands, simply demands your passport.

https://reclaimthenet.org/starmers-social-media-ban-surveill...

big85 6 hours ago|
> You don’t. You can’t. So everyone gets carded.

Exactly. A little at a time. First it's adult sites, because if you need to show ID to buy alcohol, shouldn't you need ID to buy pornography? Once that's accepted, expand the sphere of control to non-adult sites too by redefining everything as 16+.

hereme888 6 hours ago|
Honestly, the UK already shot itself in the foot. Now they're shooting their other foot. And they keep voting for the Labor party...

And yet, govt will find it's impossible to regulate the creativity of software engineers.

arbol 1 hour ago||
Tories were in governance from 2010 - 2024. And things didn't exactly improve.
8note 6 hours ago|||
keep voting for the labour party?

this is the first time in more than a decade that its not tories in charge, and to get there, labour also had to become conservatives

toyg 6 hours ago||
> And they keep voting for the Labor party.

The alternatives are even more power-mad, fundamentally illiberal parties (Reform, Conservatives), equally pearl-clutching ones that will likely continue on the same road as Labour (greens) and unreliable figures that will flip-flop as soon as they are in power (libdems).

What's left? Count Binface, I guess.

Fredkin 4 hours ago||
Conservatives drafted the OSA in 2021.

Reform are against it https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/28/reform-uk-v...

Even the more extreme Restore are against it, and against Digital ID https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/restore_civil_liberties

The Greens are ... well they wanted to amend it in 2024 to include a ban on fake news, but that could turn into a mechanism for censorship.

And Lib/Lab/Con were all for building even more on top of it in 2024: https://www.handleygill.co.uk/handley-gill-blog/general-elec...

There are no 'liberal' parties in the UK.

toyg 3 hours ago||
Reform and Restore will say anything to get into power, and then they will turn into ultraconservatives. See also: council tax in pretty much all sizeable councils they got to control, which they promised to keep fixed and then raised immediately after getting in. Their instincts are traditional ultra-right.

And yeah, I agree that there is no natural home in UK politics for social liberism. Hence why quipping "they keep voting for this" is just pointless - there are no realistic alternatives, what we have at the moment is the least worst and it's still pretty bad.

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