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Posted by doener 5 hours ago

The European Social Stack(european.social)
89 points | 76 commentspage 2
simianwords 4 hours ago|
Europe should make a dating app. Here’s why: monetising dating apps is really hard and companies don’t seem to be doing well with it.

Having a competitor here to bumble or hinge that is free and doesn’t care about short term monetisation would be a good thing.

fp64 1 hour ago||
Why do you think a government should compete on a market segment? I find it slightly irritating.

    Let me get a cup of the good EU coffee! I like the "privacy" blend the most!
    Now let me turn on my EU computer and log-in with my EU id
    Check my messages on EU social media and then I have to leave for work
    Oh that's a cute girl that messaged me on EU dating
    I hope she also likes privacy and democracy
    Now into my EU car, let me quickly stop at my EU charging station
    Power is cheap, no middleman, all EU for our democracy
    And then I'm on my way to my EU employer!
simianwords 1 hour ago||
What do you rather prefer, guy
ben_w 3 hours ago||
Meh. Best thing for dating apps is probably for them to cease to exist. Humanity managed dating fine before these things were created, even managed it in cities where we live in isolating apartments and only know our neighbours by the music leaking through the walls.

Pubs, clubs, general social events where you can find people whose actual interests you share, these all do fine. Even lonely hearts columns in newspapers probably still work, as physical newspapers still get sold here in Europe.

joe_mamba 3 hours ago||
>Humanity managed dating fine before these things were created

Except back then we had stuff like religion, church, village, common communities etc to bind people.

>even managed it in cities where we live in isolating apartments and only know our neighbours by the music leaking through the walls.

Statistics show urbanites to be lonelier than ever, so that take disagrees with you.

>Pubs, clubs, general social events where you can find people whose actual interests you share, these all do fine.

Massively depends on what the social life is like in the city you live in and what age you age. Some cities are better than others and the older you get the worse it is. While dating apps are more of a sure thing because most people are there to date. Meanwhile you can waste time and money in pubs and clubs for years and never meet a partner.

It's similar to job searching, if you're unemployed and need a job, you go straight to linkedin and apply, you don't go to clubs and pubs hoping you meet a founder who has a job for you. The latter might work every now and then if you're sociable and lucky and live in the right place, but it's not a sure thing for everyone all the time. That's why dating apps will never go away just like linkedin will never go away.

wbl 2 hours ago|||
Social media and dating apps together have created this isolation. People can demand a completely comfortable illusion of life and enforce this sterility.
ben_w 2 hours ago|||
> Except back then we had stuff like religion, church, village, common communities etc to bind people.

And in cities, more pubs, clubs, general social events where you can find people whose actual interests you share.

Most of us didn't go from Renaissance village churches to dating apps in one lifetime, let alone one day.

> Statistics show urbanites to be lonelier than ever, so that take disagrees with you.

Most surveys only started about 10 years ago, i.e. after social media and dating apps were already around, and the few longer surveys disagree with each other, but even they only go back to the 80s AFAICT; we've been living in big dense isolating cities for a lot longer than that.

> Massively depends on what the social life is like in the city you live in and what age you age.

So the focus should be on that, then. As in, not a dating app.

> While dating apps are more of a sure thing because most people are there to date.

Everyone I've heard talking about dating apps since Match Group cornered the market, says the only "sure thing" about them is how mediocre they are, at least for straight couples. Women get all the low-effort displays, men get no responses and spiral into low-effort displays.

alentred 3 hours ago||
I suppose social.eu was taken, because it would make more sense.
maxdo 3 hours ago||
Oh well for that you have to ban TikTok first , that directly affect your politics . But that will upset new owners of Europe .

All these companies are just a new way of money laundering with a proud word sovereignty

glutamate 3 hours ago||
> Europe is a union of 27 sovereign nations

I guess the Swiss, British, Norwegians, Albanians etc etc are not welcome to participate in this project.

EDIT: In any case this whole thing is stupid. Open source and privacy matters, not country of origin.

whiterock 3 hours ago|
Europe != EU
glutamate 2 hours ago||
Correct
lou1306 2 hours ago||
Perhaps relevant context: The EU commission just ignored the "Tech Sovereignty Package" it launched ~3 weeks ago, and explicitly referred open-source as a core element of their strategy, and endorsed W, another ATproto-based social that recently a) closed their code and b) ...had its CEO attend Davos. Make of that what you will.
jruohonen 4 hours ago||
Good luck, but I am not sure about the direction.

I mean, for a while, I thought something like Substack (and not Fediverse) could disturb things a little, but I suppose it and many others have already been killed by slop. So, if you do verified identity management, which is good for certain purposes but perhaps not for others, I suppose you should also do decentralized trust management, and with an ability to delete nodes from a personal but federated trust chain. (And feel free to adopt the idea also for science; it would be very much needed.)

tonymet 2 hours ago||
> be Europe

> want to host infra outside the US

> write a blog post

sneak 2 hours ago||
Nothing about matrix or xmpp is “ideal”. This person knows nothing about how notifications work on iOS.
daneel_w 2 hours ago|
I think they focus mainly on the fact that these are federated and mature solutions. I don't know anything about Matrix but as far as XMPP/Jabber and "push notifications" go, you don't need to reveal the message, nor the sender, in the alert. Right, it's not perfect, but in my book that goes a long way for privacy.
psychoslave 2 hours ago||
Attention trap platform feel nothing like social to be frank. Now that we have LLMs to prove that it doesn't take any human direct involvement to generate epic useless conversations, that should make it all the more obvious.
MrBuddyCasino 2 hours ago|
> Strengthening democracy

Ah yes, there it is. We‘ve learned how to translate this in our heads.

fschuett 2 hours ago|
Ju vill accept your EU Government ID tracking and ju vill like it! Or else!
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