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Posted by arexxbifs 2 days ago

1983 Northern Telecom Commodore Phone(www.oldtelephoneroom.ca)
76 points | 26 comments
rob74 1 day ago|
> Elsewhere in the world, phones were modular. Handsets connected to their bases via small RJ-9 jacks, allowing devices like the VICModem to intercept the line between the handset and the base. Easy. But not in Canada.

I would beg to differ. Maybe in some places in the world, but definitely not "everywhere else but in Canada". That's why the acoustic coupler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_coupler) was invented: a device where you placed your phone's handset, so you could connect your computer to it without having to physically tamper with the phone company's sacred device.

Aardwolf 1 day ago||
Even the acoustic coupler seems to have had compatiblity issues, see timestamp 1:10 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqJ159pngY8 ("1986: Email - the Perfect Tech for the Jet Set? | Micro Live | BBC Archive")

contingencies 1 day ago||
Wait: wasn't it created because earlier telephones (before RJ socketed replaceable handsets) were by definition wacko analog things with rotary dial and no standardization of plugs, and therefore the only designed way to couple was mechanically?

Touched a nerve: I had a 300baud acoustic coupled modem in mint condition original box which I bought from a garage sale in ~1995 and my flipping mother threw it out before Y2K. Man I was livid. Imagine what it'd be worth now.

kalleboo 1 day ago|||
What's seems (increasingly less) crazy these days is the Bell system even sued over the mechanical coupling of a little plastic cup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush-A-Phone_Corp._v._United_S...
kevin_thibedeau 1 day ago||||
Couplers were necessitated because you weren't permitted to alter the wiring as it was all owned by the phone company. Prior to RJ you had screw terminals that could have been used for a modem if allowed.
vessenes 1 day ago|||
Much less than the 2 shares of apple stock you could have bought :)

I’d be upset too.

userbinator 1 day ago||
Telco regulations were also why modems used an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_coupler instead of being directly connected.

As an aside, the em-dash density of this article is one of the highest I've ever seen.

ttul 1 day ago||
My first year English teacher would be impressed. The lack of em dash characters in a paper would get you a failing grade back in 1995.
Stratoscope 1 day ago|||
I love the em dash–and I didn't even notice them in this article.
userbinator 1 day ago||
It's not just the em-dash—it's the style of writing. The short paragraphs. The Consistent Titled Sections. Classic LLMese at its finest.
Towaway69 1 day ago|||
LLMs being based on probabilities and these are based on averages, hence whatever the LLM produces must be an average of what its been trained on.

So doesn't the LLM just regurgitating the average writing style of the internet and isn't the author just an average writer and hence the em-dashes.

IAmBroom 1 day ago||
The average is not necessarily a highly populated bin. It may in fact be empty (bimodal distributions can have this).
netsharc 1 day ago|||
And the clanker doesn't even explain what changes for compatibility changes that Commodore and Bell agreed to and Bell didn't deliver...

Such a horrible piece of writing.

dokyun 1 day ago||
There's only two in the whole article, what are you smoking?
jagged-chisel 1 day ago|||
"This article" is the HN post, not the wiki article. Confusing pronoun reference.
Towaway69 1 day ago|||
What? A quick scan and I counted 10. There are two in the opening paragraph.
anonymousiam 1 day ago||
Around the same time, I purchased a Novation D-CAT which worked the same way as the one described (plugging in between the phone base and the handset). It was my first modem, and I primarily used it with my Lear Siegler ADM1A terminal (an upper case only terminal made entirely from discrete logic, and no internal CPU).

The late 70's and early 80's was an era of rapid evolution in modem technology. Within a year or two I had purchased a Hayes Smartmodem 1200, and had that connected to one of my CP/M computers.

I purchased several other modems over the years from US Robotics and Hayes. I think I purchased my last one in 1996, which was the year I got ISDN (2BRI).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novation_CAT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lear_Siegler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_Microcomputer_Products

classichasclass 2 days ago||
Commodore made all kinds of wacky stuff back in the day before they concentrated entirely on computers and peripherals. I have a Commodore AM radio and a couple of Commodore wristwatches, chickenhead logos and all, not to mention the calculators and typewriters which were their original bread and butter.
inigyou 1 day ago||
That was a brilliant move by the telecom company to sell a huge batch of useless extra phones to poor suckers Commodore.

They are useless because they're identical to the customer's own phone except for the fact they say Commodore.

trembolram 1 day ago||
33 years later, Commodore releases a modern phone: The Commodore Callback Flip-Phone https://commodore.net/callback/
st_goliath 1 day ago|
They announced it, they haven't released anything yet. There is not a single real photograph of an actual device on the site. There's a wait list where you can sign up for eventual pre-orders, with an offer that they'll ask you for slightly less money.

Also, it's not Commodore but someone playing "Weekend at Bernie's" with what's left of the brand. The real Commodore went through bankruptcy and liquidation in 1994.

wolvoleo 1 day ago||
We had similar idiotic regulations in Holland. Most people rented their phone though they did have a plug (albeit a special one we called the pigs nose).

But in the 80s nobody gave a crap anymore and we just connected whatever we wanted. Aftermarket and technically illegal phones were sold everywhere.

pseudohadamard 15 hours ago||
Only vaguely-related, but looking at the bilingual text on the Vicmodem box, what happened when Commodore sold their Pet computer in Quebec?
DennisL123 1 day ago|
Now, that’s a Commodore phone I can get behind.
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