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Posted by audiodude 6 hours ago

Never Give Them Your Face(nevergivethemyourface.com)
641 points | 342 commentspage 2
inigyou 5 hours ago|
Age assurance is the law in California and age verification is illegal in California. We should push more jurisdictions to adopt this model. While many age verification laws are malicious mass surveillance, some are because politicians didn't see a better option.
pseudalopex 2 hours ago|
< age verification is illegal in California

What law?

inigyou 1 hour ago||
AB1043. Age signals shall not contain more data than required.
himata4113 5 hours ago||
I just have obs with a video of mkbhd downloaded playing in a loop, whenever I am asked for age verification I just start the virtual camera, select it at the age verification website and it immediately passes it (most of the time). MKBHD was just the first person that I could come up with that records extremely high res video.
maerF0x0 5 hours ago||
Please post how to do this. Maybe we can combine it with something like https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en and video generation?
himata4113 5 hours ago||
idk, youtube worked a lot better than any avatar. I tried avatars at first with little success.

and you don't need any guide it's dead simple:

  add video source
    path: path/to/your/video
    loop video checkmark: yes

  Start Virtual Camera
then just select it when prompted in browser.

The left/right movements are sort of a meme for most checkers and just pass randomly, the ones that need you to open your mouth get bypassed by them talking in the video.

heroku 5 hours ago||
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Duanemclemore 5 hours ago||
Who runs this site? There doesn't appear to be any information on this. A whois search returns nothing illuminating.

So... is it part of the parable they're trying to tell that they're seeing who will go against the exact sort of advice they're giving? Or does this -just happen to be- the kind of shady data gathering that they're warning against?

to quote the site itself, "We spent a generation teaching people the first rule of the internet: never give out your real identity to strangers."

ghusto 4 hours ago||
This and every post like it hurts the cause. Don't argue "Resist!" like a child, argue with an alternative.

You're not bringing anything to the table other than teenage angst, ensuring nobody takes the _very valid and terrifying concerns_ seriously.

Instead, suggest a feasible alternative. Bonus points if it works better, cheaper, and safer.

kspacewalk2 4 hours ago|
And don't handwaive away the real problem with children on social media. It's not good enough, not gonna cut it, there's strong consensus around fixing this big societal problem. Go ahead and blame the parents all you want - to a critical mass of people nowadays, it reads like the equivalent of blaming them for a 10 year old being let into a casino and getting addicted to slot machines. The debate will then just move on right past you because you're not being serious.

We need privacy-respecting age verification. It's not rocket science, it's just a matter of implementation. The bad actors - which are mostly bad by virtue of being ignorant - will win the debate if we're throwing hissy fits and telling parents to fuck off instead of coming up with constructive criticism of this approach to age verification.

sailfast 3 hours ago||
I have kids, and I don't think we need age verification. I'm not blaming the websites for content my kids access, and I have to work to make sure I'm tracking what my kids are doing.

Not saying we should stop trying to verify age in a privacy-respecting way, but the current incentive structure means that we cannot really EXPECT this in the near term.

If we cannot expect it, then we should not legislate or require it until the right solution has been found and we need to encourage our lawmakers to FUND the right way to do this.

I'm not handwaving the problems of children on social media, but it is within parental control to a certain extent, and preventing access with age verification will not prevent access in other places, nor help them deal with the onslaught when they are of age to make decisions.

electrotype 2 hours ago||
I'm quitting Claude AI because of https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-ver... .
mikodin 2 hours ago|
Gah - this is unfortunate. This will have me quit as well - I wonder when they will begin to enforce this on the Claude Code front. I remember when OpenAI tried (maybe they still are?) putting this in for GPT 5 and this had me switch from them to Anthropic.
remus 3 hours ago||
> They are built to know who you are: your name, your date of birth, your document number, your face. This is not age verification at all. It is forced identity tracking.

This doesn't have to be the case. https://www.w3.org/TR/digital-credentials/ seems a sensible system where you can have a single identity provider (hopefully someone you trust) who can then verify things like "is this person over 18?" without givin away any excessive information to a third party. Hopefully it gains some traction.

pseudalopex 1 hour ago|
A sensible system would require no trust. You could trust no provider would collude or be hacked ever. But to prevent governments to demand records requires records not exist.
andai 3 hours ago||
Thank you, ChatGPT, very interesting.

I agree with the article, but the LLM-isms cheapen it by two orders of magnitude.

vlucas 4 hours ago||
The phrase "people will not just [...]" comes to mind here.

The amount of people that let the TSA take a scan of their face when going through airport security - even when the signage clearly says you can opt out - proves that this effort, while noble, will fail.

I (and the family members I am with) always opt-out, but every time I look around, I am the only one doing it. If I had to guess, I'd put a compliance figure somewhere around 98%+.

Here is a good article on it: https://medium.com/womenintechnology/you-can-and-should-opt-...

huehehue 4 hours ago||
Good heavens, the comments on that article make me want to vomit:

"Thanks to people with your mindset our streets and borders are not as safe as they should be."

This option is made freely available to passengers, but by choosing it you're signaling that you hate your country and public safety? It's no wonder people are scared to push back on invasive and discriminatory practices.

jupr 4 hours ago|||
I found the signs to be hard to find and poorly placed.

But since I knew about it before traveling, I just said no photo please and it was pretty frictionless.

The people behind me did not even realize you could say no, and no one really wants to be late for their flight.

Make the sign bigger. Its not a good test in my view.

deeteecee 3 hours ago|||
The signage is not clear and also, you're directly faced in an environment that's not friendly so yeah, it will fail.
vlucas 3 hours ago||
I just say "no, I am opting out" and that's the end of it. They literally don't care.
trollbridge 4 hours ago||
The TSA already knows what your face looks like, though.
vlucas 3 hours ago||
They have photos, but not a voluntary full face scan.
SoftTalker 4 hours ago||
Your face is already everwhere. Your supermarket records it as you check out. Every retailer records it as you enter the store. The state has it. The Federal government has it if you have a passport or other federal ID. Your mortgage company probably required it when you digitally "signed" your loan application. Socials have it from all the selfies you've posted. It's a lost cause.
marcta 2 hours ago||
I was going to say the same. Also, if you go to shops like Screwfix or Toolstation (in the UK), you have to give your postcode and name to them before they sell to you. I tried opting out once and they refused to sell to me. I give them fake postcodes and names instead now, but it's very invasive and completely unnecessary.
w4yai 4 hours ago||
Yeah, I was going to say that as well. Your face is extremely easy to capture, and except if you permanently live under a mask, there's 0% chance to avoid it. Don't get me wrong, I like "fight the system" vibes but we need to be realistic. This fight is a lost one.
Havoc 3 hours ago|
I wouldn’t mind as much if it was entirely in house gov run. They realistically know a lot about me already - incl blood donations so could get dna even.

Outsourcing this to random ass for profits is a problem though.

stephbook 2 hours ago|
As a European with a digital-ID passport that supports age verification without identification, the lack of technical support for this infuriates me.

Maybe once we have the euro-wide digital wallet and make it compulsory to support it.

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