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Posted by audiodude 9 hours ago

Never Give Them Your Face(nevergivethemyourface.com)
678 points | 375 commentspage 4
jh00ker 8 hours ago|
At Disneyland, there are separate park entrance lanes that don't use facial recognition software. I like that I can opt-out passively there.

At TSA checkpoints at the airport, you have to actively ask to opt-out.

I'm always worried that actively opting-out puts you on a government list and there could be later, much larger ramifications, so I passively opt-in to blend in with the masses.

tejohnso 8 hours ago||
Yup. Most people are going to say "I have nothing to hide" and go with the flow. The ones who don't are signalling that perhaps they do have something to hide.
ccozan 4 hours ago|||
best anonymization would have been "hide in plain sight". If you really are a perpetrator: you would use a mask to perform the said fellony.

So face is just on factor: now they look at gait, and other body parts that can serve for identification.

mannanj 5 hours ago|||
Yes I do have something to hide. my face. I don't want you to own it in a data base of yours that you have a bad track record of knowing how to secure.

unless of course, you are willing to take ownership and accountability of my data and promise me minimum of $100k in compensation for data breaches and leaks indefinitely from your storage of my face. You can figure out how to pay for insurance to pay for this.

/oh you're not interested in even talking about this? Sounds like you have something to hide. (this fun conversation would not be well perceived when you that you ask for accountability for their actions and propose a solution. making a contract for this surely can't be super hard, but getting them to sign it and be accountable to it would be blocked hard)

Benanov 8 hours ago|||
Last time I opted out at the (edit: TSA) scan, a number of people behind me followed suit.

I enjoyed that. I will remember to opt out again.

triceratops 8 hours ago||
I don't see the point of opting out at an airport, of all places. They already know (or should know) the real names of everyone who's flying. Fully agree that facial recognition at an amusement park, or any private business, is egregious.
Synaesthesia 8 hours ago||
A while back I opened a bank account for my daughter. All that I needed was to scan my face, then the bank got everything from the department of home affairs (South Africa)

That means my goverment already has my face, with all my details associated with it. Bit Orwellian but there we are.

Hasz 6 hours ago||
An unpopular opinion for this site probably, but all the same arguments apply to gun control and civil liberties in general.

In the united states, the first amendment (what this post is primarily concerned about) and the second amendment are equally important rights, and we should be just as judicious about applying restrictions to the second as the first.

Instead, you see attacks on the 2nd in the name of "safety, verification, age assurance. A small step to protect children". The exact same playbook used against civilian gun ownership will be rolled out against the first amendment, the 4th amendment, etc.

Civil rights and protections should be expanding, not contracting, and the primary focus point for the last 30 years (and the playbooks that will be used elsewhere) are being tested on the second amendment.

1970-01-01 7 hours ago||
I will give them faces, just not my faces.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45081323

schrodinger 6 hours ago||
Maybe this is making a slightly different point (i.e. the usage of immutable physical features as "passwords", which I agree is largely useless), I think we're just entering a post-privacy era. Being around 40, I willingly fed the machine (Facebook) with hundreds of pictures during university, and had I not, my friends would have more than made up for it. It's absolutely possible to photograph every person you pass by every day, and Facebook most certainly has the keys to identify most all of the people. That dystopian combination means that unless you're welling to move to a largely uninhabited place, each of our whereabouts can be largely resolved with technology available _today_ at a completely reasonable cost.

Not only that, almost everyone on this forum walks around with a device that shares their identity and location with unscrupulous companies (cell phone carriers) whose data is available en masse to the government. (N.B. I have an iPhone and appreciate and even _trust_ all the privacy work put into it; however, the cell phone tower thwarts location tracking, and participation in social networks thwarts face tracking.)

I've long thought that rather than try to limit the information about us, we ought to _flood_ the Internet with information about us. Make the data available untrustworthy.

Or, accept it. So long as it remains in the hands of corporations and not solely the government, it guts both ways — a senator can no longer be publicly opposed to same-sex equality legislation while engaging in a homosexual relationship themselves.

AI seems to be pushing us down the former road.

socalgal2 7 hours ago||
I'm sympathetic to this but this page is preaching to the choir. You didn't sell me in the first paragraph.
RandyRanderson 7 hours ago||
I like that how in the same place that they have been trying to "protect the children" for like a decade [1], they have also had a real rape gang epidemic [2]. It's almost like they are, in fact, not really trying to protect the children.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_age_verification_in_the...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grooming_gangs_scandal

Hilariously, a commenter asked me for a citation for the epidemic. Commenter: you're not mr current events are you?

inigyou 7 hours ago|
Citation was provided for "protect the children" but not for rape gang epidemic?

But suppose there was a rape gang epidemic - wouldn't that be a good reason to want to protect the children?

RandyRanderson 6 hours ago||
It's import to solve the meta-issues here:

1 you didn't google current events before asking the first Q. Try that before asking someone else to.

2 mid-tier LLMs are capable of reasoning through your second Q. Go ahead try that next time.

3 you haven't accepted that 2 is true and the ramifications thereof.

inigyou 6 hours ago||
the meta-meta issue is that you did not provide any response other than "just google it" and "just chatgpt it"
tsukikage 8 hours ago||
I particularly like the form at the bottom for collecting your email address and adding it to a big list.

EDIT: looks like it's gone now. Gonna count that as a win.

blahblaher 8 hours ago|
Don't be fucking stupid equating these 2 things together
Nevermark 8 hours ago||
A nicer way to say that is: "I can't decide whether to up vote or down vote you!"

There is real irony that we still use non-unique-to-purpose addressing to sign up for no-need-for-our-identity newsletters. In this case, in particular.

tsukikage 8 hours ago||
I would personally be much happier sharing that link with others if it did not have the information-collecting form.
Nevermark 8 hours ago||
That makes perfect sense to me. I am sure the site's motives are fine, and yet the tech we still use is ridiculously aged and unsecure. Even on pro-security sites.
speedgoose 8 hours ago||
Who is the author?
norskeld 8 hours ago|
Either Claude van Code or Chad McGpt.
volkk 8 hours ago|||
Wow both of these guys are prolific writers. I see them everywhere
chadgpt3 7 hours ago|||
I'm not the author
butlike 4 hours ago|
Who's "they?"
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