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Posted by surprisetalk 5 days ago

Dostoyevsky isn't difficult(www.autodidacts.io)
243 points | 309 commentspage 5
Yizahi 2 days ago|
I regret every minute I've spent reading Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. The most overhyped literature ever, with an unhealthy obsession by contemporary readers living far away from the epicenter of it all.
__rito__ 2 days ago|
> The most overhyped literature ever

Just because you aren't ready for it doesn't mean it's bad literature. That's basic.

I really like Dostoevsky. He was really onto something. What he wrote was deep and meaningful and profound.

Tolstoy is also great. His short story "The Three Hermits" (1885) profoundly impacted how I look into these things.

Yizahi 2 days ago||
They are not bad. But neither they are great, just average. They are also super outdated and missing a lot of context from the time authors lived in. These books just have this fleurs exotique by the virtue of being russian and written in a very hard language for the Roman group speakers. It's a self-perpetuating self-reinforcing cycle of hype. Like a joke a about "no one was fired for ordering IBM" the same goes for the "classic" literature. No one was criticized for including Tolstoy and Dostoevsky in a 100 Best Books Of All Times list, and so they are invariably included again and again.
biggestfan 2 days ago||
What's a book you would recommend instead? I quite like what I've read from those authors but I would be interested in something with a different appeal.
keeeba 2 days ago||
This is not an attempt at affected nonchalance, but I’ve simply never come across the idea that Dostoevsky is particularly difficult to read.

A somewhat gifted teenager will race through it, as will an average adult.

dang 2 days ago||
As I've said at least once before: come back, pvg!

If ever we needed you...

functionmouse 2 days ago||
Shoutout to The Gambler
mattoxic 2 days ago||
Having trouble following names? Read I Claudius.
havblue 2 days ago||
As I get older I appreciate more how much nineteenth and twentieth century literature has in common with the modern era. Notes From the Underground was a great example of this where the narrator feels that he's destined for great things but self-sabotages along the way, becoming more and more isolated. He isn't that much different from the many educated, underemployed and frustrated, or even insufferable, people on the Internet. We haven't changed that much at all.
_doctor_love 2 days ago||
"I never got into the Russians, they take too long getting to the feckin' point!"

"Oh? Not even Dostoyevsky?"

"Oh come on now, he was the main offender."

- The Guard

plexman 2 days ago||
im only getting 504's on the website
carabiner 2 days ago||
LMAO he's saying russian lit is readable when using the most bastardized, westernized translations available, Garnet. That was the point of her work and what P&V sought to rectify when they put out their vastly more faithful renditions.
nephihaha 2 days ago||
I avoid Pevear and Volokhonsky translations. I've tried reading a few of them but I really can't stand their English style. I've been caught out more than once when reading a Russian book and wondering why I didn't like it, and finding their names on the cover.

They are prolific and have cornered the market, which is part of the problem.

EddieB 2 days ago|||
I recently worked my way through (in order) Anna Karenina, Crime & Punishment, The Idiot, and The Brothers Karamazov. Each time seeking Garnett translations as I found the usual recommendations just not hitting the spot. That said, and for context I'm English, and new to the classics- so not sure if the writing style just clicked more. I did switch half way to McDuff for The Idiot and wasn't too far from Garnett.
sno129 2 days ago|||
Don't really know what point you're trying to make here. Maybe Garnett is more westernized, but that doesn't make it more readable. IMO Garnett's not great (at least for Anna Karenina, which is all I've read by her); from what I've read P&V is more readable than Garnett.
bartender26 2 days ago|
yeah it is. don't be pretentious. that said, audio books are the way to go if you are having trouble
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