Posted by 1317 2 days ago
Not sure how I feel about the author trying to use Matt's Script Archive's bugginess and popularity to make a point about vulnerabilities and vibe coding. The web was simply just a very different place back then. Even viruses were more about hackers showing off their skills than the industral malware complex we have today. Bots weren't scanning the whole web for wp-admin.php. No one was really entering credit cards on web pages. If your site got hacked, it got graffiti'd and it was embarrassing, but no one used it to hawk bitcoin.
Likening vibe apps to WWWBoard is simply ignoring the climate and times each are a part of.
Any webpage that needed a credit card number we would use a generator which worked about 50% of the time
I was tinkering with making websites for the band I was in (learned html through htmlgoodies.com) but I needed a contact form. I'd never really touched a computer before and I expected formmail to be some wall of incomprehensible binary. I was amazed when I opened it and found plain english.
It was the moment I stopped being a drummer and started being a web developer. That was 1999. I've never stopped writing code since.
Magical.
I remember being very proud of how I extended his forum software to support threaded messaging and pagination.
I think my all-time favorite was an SMTP injection. I don't remember the exact details, but it was pretty close to this:
* The script accepted a form POST and decoded it.
* It opened a pipe to sendmail.
* It wrote the expected SMTP headers to sendmail's stdin.
* Then it wrote the decoded POST body as-is into sendmail's stdin.
Thing is, that method used in-band signaling. This is the part I forget exactly, but you could send in the POST body:
Blah blah
.
To: [1,000 email addresses]
From: root@localhost
Subject: LOL spam
Haha suckers
That period on a line of its own, followed by two newlines, told sendmail "this message is done. Now listen for the next command." Then it sent the new SMTP headers with whatever damage the attacker wanted to do, and sendmail would obediently process it as though that were the original message.We learned that one the fun way.
If I recall correctly, they were explicitly mentioned in our t&cs, and we had a filter on our ftp server which would quarantine them & email an explanation to the uploader.
For FormMail, we automatically substituted the London.pm nms drop-in compatible version (mentioned in the article). For the others, we provided a link to the nms versions and had our support team reach out and offer assistance with converting their site to use them.
It saved us endless trouble - the MSA FormMail was responsible for so much spam in the 2000 - 2002 period.
> The site Wright built, Matt’s Script Archive, unwittingly helped to highlight the divergence between how normal people think about software, and the developer’s perspective.
Because I've been in a lot of communities where buggy, poorly coded tools and resources became incredibly popular (to the dire of more professional/skill programmers), simply because they solved a need that wasn't being addressed elsewhere.
For example, I was in an old school modding community where a certain user had released dozens of resources recreating characters and elements from other games. On a technical level, these were absolutely awful. The code was a Frankenstein's monster style mishmash of code from other resources that was edited just enough to get it to work, the behaviour was often buggy or incredibly basic compared to the material that inspired it, and everything was woefully inefficient, with ten times more code than there needed to be. Every skilled programmer in the community hated this guy and his work, and even today he's seen as a source of mockery.
But said resources were also incredibly popular. The more skilled developers in said community hadn't coded their own versions of these resources, and alternatives to them were often few and far between. So, while the quality of the resources was terrible on a technical level, they filled a real user need.
If a well made solution to a problem doesn't exist, people will use whatever does, no matter how shoddy it might be.
On a more Script Archive related note, I also remember these scripts being recommended a lot in web development tutorials of the day. I never used them myself (since by the time I found real hosting services for my sites, things like PHP and MySQL had become the default online), but they were everywhere in the early days of the web.
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