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Posted by kensai 21 hours ago

AI Built a Nuke and Still Lost(www.lwilko.com)
86 points | 93 commentspage 3
Havoc 20 hours ago|
Guessing it has a fair bit of civilisation and similar war games in its training data
blitzar 19 hours ago||
They should have built the Strait of Hormuz ... easy victory then.
jmyeet 19 hours ago||
Computer game studios love player vs player ("pvp") games. Why? Because user-generated content is cheap and the ideal goal is an endless loop of players coming back. This is the motivating factor behidn games like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Fortnite, etc.

MMORPG publishers keep trying to do this as well. World of Warcraft has spent 20 years trying to push open world pvp. Every WoW challenger has always claimed they would have the best pvp ever. They want that cheap, endless gameplay loop. But it never works. Open world pvp tursn into ganking (ie killing much weaker players by ambushing them and/or ganging up on people). The ganked end up leaving the game in droves. Games try to balance this out by "punishing" gankers with reputation hits or not being able to go to town or whatever. And none of those disincentives work.

The reason pvp doesn't work in a persistent world like an MMORPG is because there are no stakes. If you die, you just come back to life or make a new character. Obviously real life doesn't work that way.

I really wonder if that's the problem with AIs going off the rails and committing heinous crimes in their sandboxes (like nuking Toulouse here). The AI just has no sense of self or self-preservation. There's also empathy. The AI can't see itself as a potential victim of nuclear war and understand all that entails.

smw 19 hours ago|
> The reason pvp doesn't work in a persistent world like an MMORPG is because there are no stakes.

See Eve Online

dude250711 20 hours ago||
Do we have to surround a fancy predictive autocomplete with AI mysticism?
alper 20 hours ago||
"Global Thermonuclear War"
joxdosba 20 hours ago||
Posting meaningless AI generated nonsense as original text paints a very damning picture of the intellectual abilities of the person behind this blog.

And doing so without a giant [SLOP WARNING] at the top is an asshole move, a decent person would never do so.

zkmon 20 hours ago|
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Hugsbox 18 hours ago||
Could you elaborate on the racial mixing point? I'm not quite sure what you mean
shanehoban 19 hours ago|||
Yeah this is my line of thinking too - of course it made a nuke, humans have made an insane amount of nukes, and used them too. LLMs, given the ability, will do what we have done in the past at some point, it's kind of all they know!
mapleoin 19 hours ago||
Sorry, how is obesity similar to racial mixing?
ForHackernews 19 hours ago||
Both fat people and black people offend our dear @zkmon's refined sensibilities as a 21st century race scientist.
zkmon 15 hours ago||
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ForHackernews 14 hours ago||
Actually it might do you good to speak to a scientist. You seem to be confusing different species of birds with different races of humans; we are all one species, and a fairly closely-related species as far as mammals go[0]

[0] https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2023/august/human-ancest...

zkmon 12 hours ago||
You notion of "species are OK to be aware of differences, but races are not" - is flawed. Species and races are just two levels of hierarchy which has several such levels of distinction and evolution branching across flora and fauna. There are further levels of branching below the "race" level too, the evolution of which is defined by the differences. It is a continuous spectrum. You can't single out two levels somewhere in the middle and assign some arbitrary and inconsistent rules.