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Posted by supercopter 13 hours ago

Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says(www.reuters.com)
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the_origami_fox 13 hours ago|
This is rising fast. 61 points at this moment.
the_origami_fox 13 hours ago||
Doubled to 103 points in 6 minutes
mapotofu 13 hours ago|||
And flagged 36 minutes after submission right around 104
the_origami_fox 13 hours ago|||
Flagged and off the home page. Now at 106 points.
the_origami_fox 12 hours ago||
After another half hour it is at 134 points despite being flagged.
the_origami_fox 6 hours ago||
It's taken another 5 hours to reach 201 points, despite being flagged and removed from the home page at around 100 points.

It is no longer flagged.

mentalgear 13 hours ago|||
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the_origami_fox 13 hours ago||
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isgb 12 hours ago||
Or it could be that the Reuters article just came out a few hours ago
the_origami_fox 12 hours ago||
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tkfoss 13 hours ago||
mods are still sleeping
akikoo 2 hours ago||
Were hurty words written here?
MASNeo 13 hours ago||
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Cynddl 13 hours ago||
If you look at the bottom of the page, you’ll find guidelines that mention which content is welcomed: “Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.”

That said, I find this particularly of interest here given the growing attention to the use of algorithms and AI (including generative AI) for surveillance and targeting of palestinians.

n4r9 13 hours ago|||
> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Personally, I find the political machinations around this conflict particularly interesting.

utirrjrk 13 hours ago||
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Protostome 13 hours ago||
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n4r9 13 hours ago||
> In October 2025, the ICJ issued an advisory opinion [wikidata] finding that Israel's claims that UNRWA had been infiltrated by Hamas were unsubstantiated. The advisory opinion also said that Israel's decision to end cooperation with UNRWA and restrict humanitarian aid to Gaza breached its obligations under the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter. It furthermore found that Israel's Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was not an adequate substitute, noting that more than 2,100 Palestinians had been killed near its distribution points and that conditions in Gaza had deteriorated to the point that international experts declared a famine in some areas in August. The ICJ further held that the mass transfer or deportation of civilians within occupied territory is prohibited, citing Israeli measures that forced large populations into overcrowded areas and severely restricted UN access. It also ruled that the two Knesset laws ending cooperation with UNRWA in the occupied territories were unlawful, noting that 360 UNRWA staff had been killed during the conflict. The court concluded that Israel, as an occupying power, had unlawfully impeded aid delivery, used starvation as a method of warfare, and failed to respect the immunities of UN personnel and premises.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA_and_Israel#International...

Protostome 13 hours ago||
the UN claimed that the UN agency was just fine... no s**.
n4r9 13 hours ago||
The ICJ is legally and structurally independent of the UN. What specifically do you disagree with about the advisory opinion?
Protostome 12 hours ago||
"The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice, CIJ), or colloquially the World Court, is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN)"

"The Court is composed of a panel of 15 judges elected by the UN General Assembly and Security Council for nine-year terms"

Literally, from the first few paragraphs of wikipedia. People don't read these days.

If the UN general assembly (mostly anti israel) selects the judges how is it "structurally independent of the UN"?

throwaway9917 6 hours ago||
I've often heard defenders of Israel crap on the UN General Assembly like it's some woke antifa type organization, but it's one representative per country, chosen by the country's government. If almost every country in the world is constantly officially condemning you, perhaps they are not the problem.
Protostome 5 hours ago|||
Well, given that between 2015 and 2024 alone, the General Assembly adopted 154 resolutions against Israel. That's more than Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Russia, China *combined*, I find it a bit ... unfair, wouldn't you say?
Schmerika 3 hours ago||
More than 14,500 children were killed by Israel in that period.

14,500 / 154 = more than 94 children per resolution. Seems fair.

How many children did "Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Russia, China combined" kill in this period, I hear you whatabout: Highest reasonable estimates are ~5,000–10,000 children.

... So, no. I don't think it's unfair.

Now let's compare how many sanctions have been inflicted on each country above. If you measure by number of sanctioned individuals/entities, a rough ranking would be:

1: Russia. 2: Iran. 3: North Korea. 4: Sudan. 5: China. 6: Israel.

... So if you're trying to hint that the whole world is only against genocide because they're antisemitic, the facts you're referring to don't really seem to back you up. At all.

throw358643 6 hours ago|||
It’s disingenuous to pretend that the Middle East conflict does not align people according to tribal, religious, and political groupings, as well as international alliances.

Given that Jews are 0.2% of the world’s population, in contrast to a very large population of people openly biased against Israel, it’s no surprise that when you take a global popular vote that Jews will lose. The UN is not a neutral institution.

throwaway9917 6 hours ago||
Sure I understand how Arab or Muslim countries might vote against Israel reflexively, but it's not just them, it's almost the entire world.

Go look at this list of Israel related General Assembly resolutions in 2025:

https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-...

The typical vote is like 142-6. The Israeli claim is that almost the entire world are a bunch of anti-Semites that hate them for who they are. Perhaps it's not who they are but what they are doing.

Protostome 5 hours ago|||
There are roughly 50 to 57 countries where Muslims make up the majority of the population. Add the countries that are heavily dependent on them, and you end up with a game that is often decided before a single ballot is cast.
throw358643 5 hours ago|||
From your link: “From 2015 through 2024, the UN General Assembly has adopted 173 resolutions against Israel and 80 against other countries.”

Do you seriously think that throughout this time Israel has been that much worse than all other countries?

There are many other indications that the UN is biased about Israel:

Only one country has its own permanent agenda Item 7 in the UN.

Palestinian refugees have their own organization vs refugees from all over the world, with almost 10x the budget per person.

In the UNESCO description of Jerusalem it says “The Wailing Wall delimits the quarters of the different religious communities”.

There are many other examples like this.

Not a single country in the world opened its doors to Jewish refugees during the Holocaust. So the majority of the world can absolutely be wrong.

pvaldes 3 hours ago||
> Not a single country in the world opened its doors to Jewish refugees during the Holocaust.

Not one except USA.

And Sweden, Dominican Republic, Denmark, France, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Poland, Bolivia, Spain, the Soviets and all the other countries that allowed safe crossing. Even Italy hid Jews... so what history books do you studied?.

mapotofu 13 hours ago||
It’s still pretty surprising that a country so armed to the teeth with ground troops and missile defense systems would have let Oct 7 happen for as long as it did, and with so many people dying. I agree that it was wrong of Israel to do that.
KevinMS 10 hours ago||
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n4r9 10 hours ago||
I condemn the terrorist that stands behind a hostage; I condemn the sniper that takes the shot anyway.
KevinMS 3 hours ago||
what if the terrorist is repeatedly launching rockets?
mfru 10 hours ago||
The human shields narrative has long been debunked.
KevinMS 3 hours ago||
you are too far gone to even argue with
the_origami_fox 13 hours ago||
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mentalgear 13 hours ago||
The report states they are not bombing military targets, so you can't explain the numbers away just by saying Hamas may recruit children.

> Israeli forces continued to use high-payload munitions and weapons with wide-area effects in densely populated residential areas despite mounting child casualties, the commission said.

isgb 12 hours ago||
Ok, first: The author sits on the board of HonestReporting and writes for NGO Monitor, UN Watch, and the Henry Jackson Society. These are pro-Israel media-monitoring and advocacy organisations.

It paints Hamas's Ministry of Health as a propaganda machine incapable of an honest number (sure) while Israeli military estimates (the 25,000 combatant figure, al-Ahli) are accepted at face value -- seriously? The IDF has been proven to lie numerous times.

Also, the article still relies on the MoH's numbers when it's convenient to the point it's trying to make.

The Gaza Mortality Survey, published in The Lancet Global Health in early 2026, run by Michael Spagat who's a war-mortality specialist (Kosovo, Iraq), with a long record of debunking inflated war-death claims, estimated 75,200 violent deaths between Oct 7, 2023 and Jan 5, 2025, which is around 25,000 more than the official Gaza Ministry of Health figure for that period.

The Lancet survey found that women, children, and older people comprised 56.2% of violent deaths. An OHCHR analysis separately found that 70% of those killed in residential buildings were women and children.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1...

Let's see, what else: A ratio of 1.5 civilians per combatant means roughly 40% of all deaths are fighters. If 56% of the dead are women, children, and elderly, then every adult male death would have to be a combatant to reach 40% — which is obviously false.

The Washington Institute concluded that the available data cannot yield a civilian-combatant ratio because the MoH doesn't classify combatant status. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fat...

The combatants numbers: The 25k combatants figure is an estimate from IDF statements while it dismisses the 8.9k figure (militants the IDF actually identified) as absurd. "Let's make up a number and call the only real documented count" -- and whether it itself is real or not is debatable.

Then lies about natural deaths: Yes, there were about 6.3k deaths in Gaza before the genocide started, however it cherry-picks this subtraction while ignoring the corresponding addition. the same surveys that quantify baseline deathhs also find thousands of excess non-violent deaths caused by genocide. The lancet survey has 8.5k excess deaths. The 3.3k confirmed deaths the article cites are below the 6k baseline. Natural deaths are undercounted. Not inflating it.

Hamas kiling Gazans: Sure, but thousands? It's overblowing numbers for the al-Ahli hospital case and then extrapolating a bunch of bs as a result.

There is a genocide going on. We've seen the footage. We have the testimony about the horrors from both IDF soldiers and Palestinians. Why are we disputing numbers like holocaust deniers?

the_origami_fox 12 hours ago||
Ok, at least you are engaging.

A few rebutals: > Yes the author is pro-Israel. I would assume the author the Reuters article is anti-Israel. This doesn't automatically disqualify either account.

> The issue is with the MoH is the breakdown of the numbers, not the overall number. No contradiction.

> He provides an alternative to Lancet. His numbers do not follow Lancet, so mixing his calculations with Lancet's is disingenuous.

> Hamas said they had 40k trained fighters which was about 2% of the population. They also recruited heavily throughout the war. Israel has a standing army of 170,000. The area is an active war zone. These numbers are feasible.

> The 8900 is fighters identified by Israel by name. This is an extremely high standard you are applying to identify fighters overall. For example in Ukraine, this standard would identify most of the 200,00 Russians they have claimed to kill to be civilians.

> Your logic is inconsistent. According to you over a 2 year period Israel couldn't kill tens of thousands of fighters in a large active military all over Gaza but could kill tens of thousands of exposed and trapped civilians in the crossfire but Hamas couldn't have harmed a few thousand of those same civilians.

> No genocide.

> This is not disputing numbers. It's disputing the nature of the conflict.

Zhenya 4 hours ago||
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CrzyLngPwd 12 hours ago||
The USA, the most powerful nation the world has ever see, is powerless to do anything about it.

If the US can't do anything about it, what hope is there for the underfunded UN?

secretsatan 6 hours ago||
I think powerless is entirely the wrong word as they are actively supplying the arms to do it
aa-jv 12 hours ago||
The USA won't do anything about it because the USA is also guilty of heinous war crimes, crimes against humanity and massive violations of human rights at scale - in fact, it is the worst criminal on the world stage when it comes to un-prosecuted war crimes... so Israel facing justice will only mean that the USA will face the same justice, and we all know that there is nothing more heinous in all the world to an American than to be embarrassed by their state facing justice at the hands of any other international entity.

But the terrible tragedy is that this situation is not going to resolve until these countries actually prosecute their war criminals, who have been getting away with it in the current context for 20+ years. Which means the only ones with any power to do anything about the USA/Israels' war criminals, are the citizens of those countries themselves - which is why the situation is just so dire.

Until there is a real appetite for prosecuting ones own war criminals instead of bleating like sheep for the blood of perceived enemies of other states, there will not be the moral stance/altitude required for Americans to do anything effective about the war crimes of any other nation.

Until Americans prosecute their own war criminals they can do nothing effective about Israels', Russias', Ukraines' war criminals, either ...

cindyllm 12 hours ago||
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aristofun 4 hours ago||
I wonder how many inquiries UN did on October 7 and if they publicly sanctioned hamas at least once.

UN is a useless clown show for a long time now.

ThePowerOfFuet 4 hours ago|
Please don't engage in whataboutism on HN.
gershy 2 hours ago|
I was trying to pay attention to the actual claim and I got: 1. Children died during the ceasefire 2. Israel is using larger bomb payloads than it should (according to who?) in civilian areas 3. Higher percentage of child deaths than in earlier conflicts

Still, for me, doesn't add up to "Israel deliberately targetted gaza children" - is the claim that this is systemic? Or rampant? Or just by some individuals? And how do we know?

clydethefrog 1 hour ago||
The European Press Prize this year went to "What the wounds are telling us", an investigation into the wounds of Palestinian dead children. I recommend you read it.

https://www.europeanpressprize.com/article/what-the-wounds-a...

gershy 38 minutes ago||
I am interested to know the overall scale at which this is happening. Disturbing but illuminating, thanks for the link!
andriy_koval 2 hours ago|||
The claim in report is that Israel deliberately targeted newborn delivery hospitals and similar. I don't think they have proof of "deliberately", I assume hamas people could use those hospitals as potentially safe zones for gathering, weapons stashes, etc.
Computer0 2 hours ago||
It's pretty clear Israel systematically kills Palestinian children to those paying attention. According to a public statement by the United Nations, Gaza has the highest number of child amputees per capita in the world. At least 21,289 children have been killed. They starve the population, drive them out of their homes. (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...) This is the modus operandi of the Zionist belief system. It is a colonial settler ideology and they have to eradicate the natives, much like American settlers killed the native people and destroyed their way of life until they could keep them in tiny """sovereign nations""" where they would be crushed if they every truly tried to display any real sense of sovereignty. To be sovereign is to have a government with a monopoly on violence, the "reservations" are occupied.
gershy 2 hours ago|||
I'm trying to see the argument for "Israel deliberately targets children", closest thing I got was "Israel has made lots of children into amputees" - can you provide more info?
andriy_koval 1 hour ago||
I think its obvious that there will be a lot of children amputees in active denstly populated warzone.
gershy 1 hour ago||
I think there's an ethical difference between "we need to wage war on a densely populated area", and "we need to wage war on a densely populated area, let's make sure to harm the vulnerable people we encounter there". This is what I'm trying to differentiate between.
andriy_koval 1 hour ago||
We won't know without analyzing protocols how Israel picks targets.

Also, harming civilians is the norm in modern world. Russia absolutely deliberately is targeting critical civilian infra in Ukraine (e.g. grid during cold winter).

lovich 2 hours ago|||
I gotta be honest, the phrase “colonial settler ideology” gets an instant eye roll and detracts from the rest of your statements. Most nations on the planet are formed of settlers unless you think there were always Russians in Siberia, or there were always Anglo-Saxons on Albion.