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Posted by ilreb 12 hours ago

AI's Affordability Crisis(blog.dshr.org)
261 points | 348 commentspage 4
Quarrelsome 10 hours ago|
Is it not also possible that some of the shift is a consequence of increase of use? While we can be extremely cynical at the finances at play, the lock down and increase of token pricing might be demonstrating a burgeoning demand, which would be a positive indicator.
cmiles8 11 hours ago||
The math doesn’t add up and the wheels are starting to come off the bus.

The conversation in a lot of wealth management offices has shifted dramatically in the last few month from “how do I get in on this AI thing?” to “how do I protect my assets when this AI stuff blows up.”

There’s little question now if this will all implode, just when and who’s going to lose their shirt and be left without chairs when the music stops.

What’s playing out now is the scene from The Big Short where the banks wouldn’t mark down the value of bonds until they secured a short position. Once the big money has their helmets on it will stop providing fuel for the bubble and then look out below!

Kotlopou 10 hours ago||
With these confident comments I would appreciate some kind of origin of the information. Not even necessarily a source accessible to me, just: are you in any wealth management offices? Or are you reporting other people's opinions? Or does it just sound right given the spirit of our time?
surgical_fire 7 hours ago|||
> There’s little question now if this will all implode, just when and who’s going to lose their shirt and be left without chairs when the music stops.

Well, OpenAI and Anthropic are racing to IPO for a reason.

They will need every bagholder they can get their hands on.

jcgrillo 11 hours ago||
Assuming the analysis is right, and most (or all) of these AI companies will default on their debts, what consequences might that have?
cmiles8 10 hours ago|||
If that happens the AI companies will first try to negotiate with their creditors and after that likely declare bankruptcy with the creditors taking over what’s left of the assets. Shareholders will be wiped out and employees will be left with nothing. Various franken-companies will emerge from the bankruptcy ashes and the world will move on with AI sans the present irrational exuberance.
johnvanommen 9 hours ago|||
> If that happens the AI companies will first try to negotiate with their creditors and after that likely declare bankruptcy with the creditors taking over what’s left of the assets.

Due to the fact that we’ve already done this before (Enron, Global Crossing) -

I’m willing to bet that there are contracts in place ALREADY, that define what happens in the event of a default.

In particular, I’ll bet that the buildings, the GPUs, the patents, etc…

All of these have probably been accounted for.

I worked at a data center that closed during the WorldCom era, and when they put the padlocks on the door, there were still websites “hosted” from the building.

I don’t know if they killed the power or what. I’d cleared out my desk long before they locked it all up. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that these websites couldn’t get their own servers, since ownership was tied up in the courts.

In the Bay Area during that time, there were row upon row of empty office buildings.

devin 10 hours ago|||
And then the US government will say that these company's futures are in the national interest, and they will be bailed out with taxpayer dollars.
bryanlarsen 10 hours ago|||
Usually (but not always) such bailouts wipe out the shareholders.
cmiles8 10 hours ago|||
That could happen, but the shareholders still get wiped out.
thephyber 10 hours ago||||
All of those poor agents will be laid off from their support chat jobs and their roles will get outsourced to India and Philippines.
NickC25 10 hours ago|||
>what consequences might that have?

All depends on who is holding the bag, and how big the bag is.

thewebguyd 10 hours ago|||
Hence the IPO. Push the risk on to retail and index funds, away from private credit. Plus Microsoft, Google, and Amazon will also be holding the bag and have huge balance sheet write downs, the compute commitments have not yet been paid for it's all just promises.

The banks aren't has exposed this time, as in 2008, most of it is tied up in private credit, its more akin to the fiber buildout in the 90s.

cmiles8 10 hours ago||
Yes, and private credit investors are rushing for the exits but can’t get out because of withdraw limits. It’s starting to get ugly. Folks owning something they think is going to tank and they can’t sell.
SwellJoe 10 hours ago||||
Yep, if they make it to IPO, as SpaceX has, and if they manage to get into several indexes (as SpaceX is already doing, I assume it's already in the Russell indexes, and will soon be in the Nasdaq 100 index), it'll be a bunch of working class people's retirement accounts holding the bag. And, those same companies might be deemed Too Big To Fail, and they'll get even more working class folks money in the form of tax-funded bailouts.

A wealth transfer from the working class to a handful of billionaires bigger than any the world has ever seen (and the world has seen a lot of wealth transfer from the working class to billionaires).

LPisGood 10 hours ago|||
Probably 401 (k) plans for the most part.
LastTrain 10 hours ago||
Yes. If we spend more on building AI infrastructure then current total global gross software sales, the only way the math works is if we create and sell much more software or if we start charging more for it.
largbae 9 hours ago||
This article gave me an amusing thought: the only jobs with a high enough salary to be profitably replaced by AI might be software engineers.
evrydayhustling 11 hours ago||
The willingness to throw capital at AI is definitely doing some crazy things, but this article has some bad takes on the data.

> [Ratio of per-token cost to subscription cost] means Anthropic is subsidizing their enterprise customers by up to 40 times, and OpenAI up to 70 times

Actually, they could be subsidizing by more (if they are taking a loss on API), or not at all (if they are soaking API customers by a massive margin).

Separately, these subscriptions get sold to large groups with varying usage, so it's crazy to model assuming every subscription is maxed out. Banks, gyms, and many other businesses work this way, offering consumers flexible access to services that they will realistically use in bursts. It's not always worth the complexity to prevent overuse by a small minority. You can feel like this kind of business model isn't as transparent, but it's silly to pretend it can't work.

> OpenAI spent 44% of their revenue [$5.3B] on sales and marketing! The hype needed to keep the AI bubble inflated is incredibly expensive.

Over that same period (2025), OpenAI added $10B in realized revenue and $14B in run-rate. Sounds like they're getting >2X return within 12 months of those go-to-market dollars. Compare that to like, any other business.

> Thus in recent weeks the idea that Generative AI (LLMs for short) is too expensive has been all over mainstream business media.

Would it be smarter for these companies never to test customers' price tolerance? The quotes following this make it seem like the companies are getting important information about the nature of that price tolerance, and preparing to react. This is the work markets do on both sides to understand the value of a new product.

There are lots of good arguments about AI overinflation, but in order for them to be useful, they have to be rigorous and targeted.

Catloafdev 11 hours ago||
Affordability is not the current goal.

Vendor lock-in is the current goal. Consumer prices are a drop in the bucket comparatively.

woeirua 9 hours ago||
How can you lock in when the harnesses are basically thin clients around the APIs and you can replicate them using agents in a short period of time? I haven't seen a compelling thesis yet for how you achieve vendor lock in for LLMs. Claude Code is a bit sticky, but if we're being honest its just because Codex doesn't have all the same features yet.
Catloafdev 5 hours ago||
Because it's not about consumer lock-in, it's about enterprise lock-in. That's what they're chasing. Regular users are basically marketing.
dofm 11 hours ago|||
Luckily the industry is much too wise, after a couple of decades of cloud infrastructure, to willingly opt to make itself entirely dependent on one of two platforms with opaque and complicated pricing. We've learned our lessons, oh yes
rconti 10 hours ago|||
Maybe they just need the competition to run out of funding first?
hk__2 11 hours ago|||
That’s an impossible goal; it’s too easy to switch models.
downrightmike 10 hours ago||
And Microsoft forced M365 subscriptions to include AI for +$30/license.

Cheap, but gave them a massive user base they can claim is using AI

dzogchen 8 hours ago||
> To generate the $309 billion needed to service their debt, the AI industry will need to replace 46.8 million jobs, equivalent to around 27% of the current number of jobs in the US.

Lump of labour fallacy spotted.

zytoon 10 hours ago||
This summarizes half of the entire AI scene as these guys generate content to paint the entire world the way like to: US equity markets are facing three IPOs .. each led by a world-class bullshitter”.
zoobab 11 hours ago||
Spelling mistake:

"a return on these invetment"

netdevphoenix 11 hours ago||
It's Proof of (human) Work. Much more useful than having a sticker saying "Done by a Human".
pluralmonad 11 hours ago|||
Is deleting a letter after an LLM generated the article an insurmountable task? These quaint signals only screen out the lowest of effort slop writers. Better than absolutely nothing, but barely.

It does remind me of the time a chef told me when he puts lemon juice over a dish, he would intentionally not remove any seeds that went on it because it was a signal of quality. I wonder if future slop chefs will intentionally place seeds on dishes that came from a box...

Insanity 11 hours ago|||
Ask your LLM to 'write like a phishing email' to have it seem more human.

I'm actually curious if this works, haven't tried but I assume it would.

erikschoster 11 hours ago||
...and "maiinstream" -- seeing glaring typos (easily caught by spellcheck) now makes me wonder: did they decide to leave them in (or add them explicitly) to signal they didn't use AI to write, or (the more paranoid option) did they tell the LLM to add a few typos...

I didn't get the sense this was LLM-written, but typo-signalling is... I donno a bit weird. Firefox is underlining some of the words as I write. I'm leaving "donno" unchanged even though it's flagging it as a misspelling but I suppose I'd still opt to fix something like "maiinstream" even at the risk of potentially seeming more LLM-ish!

jongjong 4 hours ago|
The current situation reminds me of how far we've come from old ideals of delaying gratification today in order to have more later.

It seems like this ideology has been corrupted into a short-sighted "Establish a monopoly position as soon as possible at all costs, don't worry about tomorrow."

It's ironic because monopolizing a sector by investing heavily and suppressing profits used to be a long term move but it has become a short term move.

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