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Posted by sizzle 7 hours ago

Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring(hai.stanford.edu)
https://algorithmichiring.github.io/

https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.27371

127 points | 136 commentspage 2
verteu 5 hours ago|
The paper is here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2605.27371

They find "disparate impact" of pymetrics across racial groups, but it doesn't seem like they controlled for anything.

efavdb 4 hours ago|
They also say that if they do the analysis globally the effect goes away. Curious, does that not imply that if one domain is biased against some group there would be another where the bias was in its favor?
zeroonetwothree 3 hours ago||
Also has issues of random chance causing these differences. How many different positions are there that have the chance of a 80% effect?
verteu 3 hours ago||
They're using a Benjamini–Hochberg correction (alpha=0.05) to account for multiple comparisons (see Table 2).
ApolloFortyNine 5 hours ago||
I truly don't doubt it's possible for the AI to be 'racist'.

>If the AI had recommended Black and Asian candidates at the same rate as it recommended the most-favored group (typically white applicants), 40,000 more of their applications would have advanced to the next stage of hiring.

I don't think this is the right benchmark here, or at least, it would be very interesting if the actual outcome, offer or rejected, was considered at the end.

gacgacgac 5 hours ago|
You are misreading this sentence. This sentence is saying: "Using a constructed dataset of resumes, whose only difference was a name change, we would anticipate a system evaluating on qualifications to produce an equal distribution of candidates across names. Our observed result was highly unequal, and that warrants further investigation."
_0ffh 4 hours ago||
To me it appears as if the study using the constructed dataset was a completely different one than the one that was concerned with AI.

For the AI study real data from "3.4 million people who submit 4 million job applications to 1,700 job postings across 150 employers and 11 industry sectors" was used.

jsemrau 4 hours ago||
Interesting timing as Workday is facing Discrimination Claims in California doing the same thing.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/california-judge-upho...

tlogan 4 hours ago||
I am not surprised.

AI works by learning patterns. So it will become bias by just learning from factors like education history, schools attended, employment history, ZIP codes, or geographic location. Those 3 factors alone are an easy proxy for race.

And if you add names into the equation (if the AI was trained without removing applicant names), the model can become even more bias.

rnxrx 4 hours ago||
Genuine curiosity: Is there any speculation as to what these tools are keying on to reject those particular applicants? It seems like it just being the applicant's name is too easy an answer, but I could be overthinking it.
ericol 5 hours ago||
2 days ago there was another interesting article on the effects of AI in hiring[1]

I guess this one just compounds.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48620142

groundzeros2015 5 hours ago||
I don’t think AI screening is effective. But this study is just disparate impact.
xrd 5 hours ago||
Would be very interested to see how this affects post-50 workers. That's a protected class and I would imagine an ambulance chasing lawyer would be excited for a class action lawsuit.
stevenicr 4 hours ago||
I expected more information from the article and 'the paper' -

I see nothing that shows any system was making a decision on race. How is the race being presented to the AI?

All this is showing from what I can see, is that certain groups of people were more often denied a next step in the process - but why?

Was the AI going by spelling and grammar? Were there names that were different but the rest of the resume was exactly the same? Were there pictures?

There were mentions that the rate of each group may be more prominent in the data when you split apart different types of jobs instead of all jobs in aggregate.. One could read that like it's inferred; that more warehouse jobs are offered to a race and less admin jobs.. but that same would happen if AI was more focused on perfect grammar for one job and it was not as much of a factor for a warehouse job.

Also if the people applying for the various jobs were self selecting, acceptance percentages this would skew things based upon which ones were applied / not applied to right?

There are so many ways you could draw conclusions like this from data, however correlation is not causation, yet this seems to say it is.

I feel this is an important thing to watch, but Stanford may not be the place to trust with 'Policy Recommendations' as it's very unclear there is any proof that 'AI Hiring Tools Yield Racial Bias and Systemic Rejection' from this study and paper.

PS - now that I see the HN title did not have the word "can" in it, and the title of the article is actually "Tools Can Yield" - maybe that is less accusing and more noting.

OrvalWintermute 4 hours ago|
The Pymetrics game is rigged by design:

Only 40% self report gender/race

no resume data, no education information, degrees, schools, GPA, major, work experience, skills/certifications

Zero job qualifications

zerocrates 4 hours ago|
Well, they're only looking at whether the pymetrics gameplay algorithm ML thing recommends the candidate, not any of that other stuff. The outcome they're looking at here isn't whether the people actually got hired, or got passed by other screening layers or anything.
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