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Posted by Buildstarted 7 hours ago

California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business(www.the3dprintingnerd.com)
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KingMachiavelli 5 hours ago|
Err, the email list has like 13+ bad addresses? I get a lot of "Address not found" responses.
charcircuit 6 hours ago||
Many firearm companies were founded by someone who made their own firearm design. Banning people from manufacturing things is anti innovation.
trhway 6 hours ago||
As the latest affair shown, US is falling behind in drone tech. Now another key modern tech is going to be similarly outlawed.

Note that in particular banning of 3d printing severely decreases chances for bringing back manufacturing - high labor and other costs makes domestic manufacturing feasible only when it is highly automated and highly customizable.

TacticalCoder 6 hours ago|
> As the latest affair shown, US is falling behind in drone tech. Now another key modern tech is going to be similarly outlawed.

My bet is the US militaro-industrial complex is busy preparing juicy contracts to sell shitload of drones and drones-related tech to the US government now that they understood that drones in warfare were a thing (Ukraine vs Russia showed it and Iran-vs-the-world showed it too).

The US has something like 12 tech companies in the top 20 biggest companies by market cap in the world: do you really think the US is "falling behind in drone tech" because a country that has never invented anything (besides mass killings of their own citizens) since religious extremists took over managed to fly a few low-tech drones into US military assets?

That a country bent on violence (including towards its own citizens) where pick-up trucks armed with .50 cal, AK47s and explosive are the norm can slap explosive on DJI drones is resourceful but I wouldn't exactly call it "passing ahead in drone tech".

I don't gamble but I'd make an exception and bet big that the US is going to end up right next to China, at the very top, when it comes to drone tech. While I fully expect the EU to fall behind in drone tech.

trhway 5 hours ago||
> a country that has never invented anything … managed to fly a few low-tech drones into US military assets

And de-facto won the war as a result. That is reality. That is the power of that weaponry, and that is the falling behind. And that after 4 years of such a war in Ukraine.

I agree it is very possible that US would be at some point able to build up those capabilities. Though, limited to established players, it most probably would be very expensive and thus go against the key feature - cheapness - which in itself allows for the other key feature- mass scale of the drone weapons.

nekusar 6 hours ago||
Then, well, let's start downloading:

https://spreadthesignal.com/files

https://guncadindex.com/search

https://defcad.com/library/

nullc 3 hours ago||
One of numerous awful policies and proposed policies that make me glad to have left California.
cortesoft 6 hours ago||
This is such a dumb law. We have millions of guns in the state, 3D printed guns are never going to be more than a blip in the statistics for gun deaths.
Gagarin1917 6 hours ago||
They’re just waiting for the union to fall apart and then those will be next.
nozzlegear 6 hours ago|||
Lawful gun use means the guns must be registered and users need to be licensed and go through background checks. Presumably part of the concern with 3d printed guns is that anybody can print them without going through that registration, licensing and background check process.
ex-aws-dude 6 hours ago||
Also don't they require real metal parts anyway?
mc32 6 hours ago||
Why does California since Arnold left office feel the need to regulate above the average other states regulate? [in fairness gov Brown would veto some of the crazier ideas that arrived at his desk]

Why do the pols feel like they have to pick fights in so many places? I doubt there’s a majority of voters who want this.

Gigachad 6 hours ago||
This feels exactly like a feels good general public appeal law though. The average person doesn’t know or care much about 3D printers and is horrified by the level of gun violence in America and wants to see something done.
LNSY 5 hours ago||
Which is sad, considering that we have the lowest violent crime rate since the 1950's. https://ourworldindata.org/us-crime-rates
Gigachad 5 hours ago||
That's a decline from peak lead brain fueled murdering spree though. The situation is still far worse than basically every other developed country.
Gagarin1917 6 hours ago|||
You think too highly of California voters.

All they have to do if frame it as an unnecessary freedom that only conservatives and wackos want to keep and they will 100% support it.

They see their state as a sort of oasis in the country and will do whatever it takes to keep the guns out. They really believe they’re just a few laws away from solving any issue a “reasonable” American could face.

Danox 1 hour ago||
Prop 13 oasis…
arjie 6 hours ago|||
Well, from the point of view of Californian politicians, was it their anti-balance-billing AB72 that was over-regulation before No Surprises Act? Or the CCPA? Or the Auto-Renewal Law? And looking back even farther: was it CalOPPA that was overreach requiring privacy policies? Paid family leave and sick leave?

Some made life hard for Californians like the CARB gasoline blend requirement but I think if you proposed removing any of those laws you'd find yourself downvoted here and called a corporate bootlicker on Reddit - which is not a poll of all people but should give you an idea of the fact that they're not unpopular.

mc32 6 hours ago||
They have passed decent laws like the privacy law although my preference would be a nation-wide law for this to benefit all Americans.

That said these politicians have pushed:

The ban on disinfectant soaps

Stop Shirley bill (charge you for public records in order to suppress access to public information)

Effort to sideline charter schools by teachers unions

Reduced sentences for murderers (this isn't unarmed robbery, etc., rather murderers)

Per mile traveled tax (for a state with the highest gas prices in the lower 48)

Sanction unsafe needle litter (as if there weren’t enough in playgrounds already)

Strangers can assume custody of children without parental consent

Allow politicians to dip into taxpayer money to fund campaigns.

Leniency towards solicitation of minors(!) this was unbelievably passed.

arjie 5 hours ago||
It seems overall that they're pretty much just on the frontier of laws that would be considered progressive - increase taxes, consumer protection, control corporations, prison reduction. I think those positions are overall popular. It just seems like you disagree with them. I also prefer many of these rules not be in place but where you like CCPA and hate the road tax, I like the road tax. Overall, the positions seem pretty coherently in-line with the politics viewpoints.

So, I suppose the answer to your original question is: they're slowly grinding forward on a progressive-politics agenda in a public and straightforward manner that's generally popular among the electorate.

guelo 6 hours ago|||
The last time California Republicans had some power around 2009-12 they used it to manufacture crises and shut down the government. Since then voters have shut them out of power, including by passing 2010's Prop 25 which stripped the minority of the 2/3 veto they used to have.
Danox 53 minutes ago||
The California Republicans (Pete Wilson) could not shut up demonizing American Hispanic people, recently arrived migrants and immigrants turned two generations into Democrats and statewide Republicans have been losing pretty much ever since, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona will be blue for the same reason going into the future and Texas will eventually swing.

The Republicans just can’t stop demonizing Hispanics. And don’t forget Oregon and Washington large fast growing Hispanic communities you can only demonize people so much.

And I’m not talking about Cubans.

ConanRus 6 hours ago||
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greenavocado 6 hours ago||
Blatant first amendment violation
yieldcrv 6 hours ago|
This doesn’t have to be unconstitutional, just regulate the intermediary in such a way that it forces the behaviors you are trying to regulate directly

In this case you can say

“You need a license to do this activity”

[adds all the requirements in the bill to the licensing authority]

“Unlicensed activity is forbidden”

so now you can get your tiny LLMs added to 3D printers so that license holders can operate again, without specifically mandating unworkable technology or getting a freedom of expression challenge from the manufacturers you just invented court standing for

This works under every governance system

yieldcrv 6 hours ago|
also I would love to get the contract for the embedded firearm detecting LLM

do you guys even America? catch up

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