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Posted by 0nce 8 hours ago

How to burst the AI bubble: Strike at its roots(arstechnica.com)
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aaron695 6 hours ago|
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dist-epoch 7 hours ago||
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croes 6 hours ago||
Sounds more like a simpleton than a simple man.
4gotunameagain 6 hours ago||
And yet you choose to enshitify the comments of this thread
bsenftner 7 hours ago||
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jhbadger 6 hours ago|
While that's a bit cruel, I do have to wonder how exactly Doctorow got in the position he has -- he isn't somebody who has done great things and is now a tech critic like someone like Geoffrey Hinton. He seems a pleasant enough fellow, but basically he got fame from writing SF books that he gave away for free. How does this translate into being an expert that journalists fawn over?
mitthrowaway2 6 hours ago|||
He's also been a vocal advocate about copyright reform and against DRM, and his arguments are coherent and generally well-regarded among the tech crowd. In context, "giving away books for free" is a particularly strong form of putting his money where his mouth is.
JuniperMesos 6 hours ago||||
Journalists fawn over many people who write for public consumption in some way (book authors, academics, etc.), and who already agree with the point of view the journalists want to promulgate. I don't think Doctorow has particularly more insight about AI than anyone else does, but I also don't think that "insight about AI" is the main reason Ars Technica chose to publish an interview with him - they did this because Ars Technica has an anti-AI editorial position and so they find it useful to promote Doctorow's anti-AI-book. A different group of journalists who did not have an anti-AI editorial position would not have interviewed and published Doctorow, or at least not done so under as friendly circumstances as Ars Technica did.
jappgar 5 hours ago||
Is this supposed to be surprising?
Npovview 6 hours ago||||
Has Doctorow implemented Transfomer from scratch as Lesswrong wants us to atleast pass the smell test?
alansaber 6 hours ago|||
Hinton is a classic case of an academic making increasingly grandiose statements as they age.
pydry 7 hours ago||
The bubble is weirdly being kept alive by the promise it can replace software developers, which is ironic because all it has really achieved is a deluge of slop.

Social media has also gone utterly crazy. The last time I saw a gaslighting operation on this scale and volume (including accounts who "hate" AI "because its so scary good") was during the start of the Gaza war.

These accounts becoming easier to distinguish too, because whether they boost AI or feign criticism they all categorically refuse to use the s word.

I guess there is a few trillion riding on perpetuating this mass psychosis so it makes sense they'd try to use every trick to keep it going as long as possible.

Internet bubble was nothing like this. The scale is greater, the promises are more insane and the pop is going to be much more devastating.

xnx 6 hours ago||
> The bubble is weirdly being kept alive by the promise it can replace software developers

And lawyers, and doctors, and tax preparers, and financial managers...

mrngld 5 hours ago||
People seem to think it's all smoke and mirrors. IDK. My employer, in an industry as far removed from Silicon Valley as you can probably get, makes more and better use of it all the time. There's enormous amounts of work done every day in corporate America that amounts to "I need X, but X involves some data from legacy system Y and legacy system Z, and that's going to take me an hour to glue together because our entire enterprise runs on a system cobbled together over the past 50 years". You know what Codex/Cowork/etc can do really stunningly good these days? Take the files you provide, listen to what you want from them, ask clarifying questions as necessary, then write a script that programmatically does exactly what you ask for, checks its own work and then gives you the result.

We also realized that a project we thought was going to involve thousands of man-hours of very expensive, senior draftsperson labor to backport a feature into decades of CAD files we could, after years of procrastination, just forget! AI has got to the point where it can see and count what we need for us with greater accuracy, in our tests, than our very best humans, so we can just make the change going forward and let AI read the old files as needed.

There's incremental commercial adoption of that nature that I'm sure is happening slowly across the corporate spectrum, and that kind of thing is durable demand, not a bubble.

Note though that I'm talking about real revenue, etc. Not stock market bubbles. The feds been inflating that junk since the housing bust. We'll all pay for that eventually.

pydry 5 hours ago||
>There's enormous amounts of work done every day in corporate America that amounts to "I need X, but X involves some data from legacy system Y and legacy system Z, and that's going to take me an hour to glue together because our entire enterprise runs on a system cobbled together over the past 50 years

I did a bunch of that type of work pre covid. IME it's usually an hour to build and about 3-5 weeks to handle bureaucracy, data cleaning and detective work to account for the lack of docs. AI would probably handle that 1 hour's worth of work OK but using it for the rest of that work would be a shortcut to hallucination town, especially when the context is something you have to dig up by actually talking to people.

Also it's the only bit of that job that isnt mind numbing.

There's an enormous number of projects all over the economy these days which are being presented as an enormous "AI win" where the benefits were dubious at best, because it's become a clear route to career advancement.

I'm equally certain that it has its niches but ~80% of where I'm seeing it used it's either smoke and mirrors or creating more problems than it is solving.

jappgar 6 hours ago||
> refuse to use the s word

strike?

FromTheFirstIn 5 hours ago|||
Maybe slop?
pydry 5 hours ago|||
slop
dude250711 7 hours ago|
Bubbles do not have roots.
chrisweekly 6 hours ago|
I agree the mixed metaphor and grammar are a bit awkward, but "its" refers to AI, innit?