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Posted by benwerd 1 day ago

Journalism is rearranging the deckchairs. It needs to reinvent itself(werd.io)
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bawolff 1 day ago|
I think the problem is traditional news journalism tried to be middle of the road. Which worked fine when you needed to run a tv channel or print edition that needed to appeal to most consumers and consumers had limited choices.

But with the internet everything got hyper specialized.

Want the entertainment & tabloid-esque factor? Well social media, certain subreddits are going to serve you better, for free.

Want the in-depth analysis. Well youtube, if you know how to be media critical, serves you better (yes YT is full of bullshit but if you truly want in depth analysis coverage, you probably know how to filter out the bad channels and find high quality). Not to mention specialist sites. Like compare the in depthness of isw (https://understandingwar.org) vs your average news broadcast when it comes to what is happening in current wars.

Heck even wikipedia tends to be more in depth and provide better context than most news reports.

Where does that leave us? Traditional news becomes an expensive product that has subpar quality. Then it becomes a vicious circle where either they go full clickbait to feed ads where quality goes in the dirt, or they go paywall which keeps them out of the digital conversation and errodes their publicitly which ultimately prevents them from acquiring new users.

andriesm 1 day ago||
I think journalism has an honesty problem. Too much lying and manipulation has destroyed all trust.

The most egregious offenders never allow reader comments or discussion underneath the story.

This would do a lot to restore trust.

The problem is, they want to restore trust and keep acting deceptively too!

hootz 1 day ago||
The future of journalism is indie journalism. Just like indie web, indie games and indie art. It's the only way to fight against corporate slop and AI slop.
dmoose 1 day ago||
> I think we’ll see new newsrooms emerge that reinvent what journalism is, are unafraid to build real, lasting, two-way relationships with the people they’re trying to serve

I agree with the idea, but there is a lot of subtlety. Journalism is a profession. Journalists must understand context and research while also finding ways to convey often complex concepts in an unbiased and comprehensible way. The average internet voice trying to fill this role is just spouting opinion and often with undisclosed motive.

If we do not solve the credibility gap that currently exists and let professionals be adequately compensated for doing good work in a difficult profession most of the suggestions here are just bandaids on a mortal wound.

gaiagraphia 1 day ago||
The enitrety of the UK media sat on the Fujitsu scandal and did fuck all. So called foundations dedicated to the craft of journalism said "lol ok" and wrote article number 2342342 on the impact of black trans rights in softball.

The world's become a gambling addict; chasing players in a huge virtual casino of clicks. It's sad.

lenerdenator 1 day ago||
Reinvention takes money.

A bunch of investors went on a buying spree of traditional news outlets about 25-30 years ago, hoping to make good money off of them. They also offered free access to the news online at the time.

Well, people stopped buying newspapers and fewer and fewer people watch the local news, so there was no money making happening.

They're still expecting to make the cash off the original investment. There will be no reinventing, civic consequences be damned.

asdff 1 day ago|
I know there are 4th estate implications, but there's probably an argument made that news media should be a municipal endeavor supported through taxation. Yes there is public corruption all the time but usually it isn't a grand conspiracy sort of corruption, but on an isolated individual level, frequently exposed by staff themselves. In LA these days, the city controller is actually one of the best muckrakers right now. He is a sort of accountant/data scientist who doesn't care if the data he presents is embarrassing for the city leadership.
lenerdenator 1 day ago||
Unfortunately, if it's a municipal endeavor, you will have coloring of the coverage.

I don't trust the current political establishment in the US to not turn newsrooms into pure propaganda machines if public funding is requested.

Besides, I don't know if there is much of a point. The current President, at the very least, bungled the release of millions of documents related to his former personal friend who was under investigation/indictment for sex trafficking.

The public, for better or worse, just doesn't seem to want to make that a sticking point. If that's not a sticking point, what the hell is? What could a newsroom possibly dig up that could motivate people?

And yes, I realize I am being very, very charitable to reducing Trump's possible exposure on Epstein to "bungled the document release", but I think you could at the very least get everyone to agree on that. There was a law passed by Congress, his administration didn't follow it as it had to. Cut and dry.

dfxm12 1 day ago||
It's not going to reinvent itself when it is compromised of few, like minded people. Government would need to step in, but the current US admin is in bed with media, so we'll be here a while, at least.
MarkusQ 1 day ago|
So...it's your impression that the media and the current US administration like each other? Interesting. That is not the impression I've gotten.
mmooss 1 day ago||
Journalism needs to believe in itself, passionately, and put that passion out there. For every individual and every organization, whoever you are, you set the ceiling: nobody will have more passion or believe in you more than you do.

In my anecdotal experience, journalism goes along with the detractors and naysayers: It's an archaic industry from a past era, they're mostly ineffective, social media makes it mostly irrelevant, journalistic principles aren't really valued, hard news isn't valued, not many will ever read it and the audience won't come back, it's more for comfort and entertainment, don't challenge people too much, etc.

Imagine a blogger who, for their post, flew to the location of whatever they were talking about and saw it for themself. Interviewed dozens of people with direct experience, including the people directly affected, the people who did whatever happened, the local leaders, people on all sides. Found and read actual documentary evidence. Combined that all in a blog post and then ran it by several other people for editing, verification, ensuring nothing exceeded the evidence, etc. That would be an amazing - an almost unheard of - blogger and blog post.

That's everyday professional journalism. You can get it pretty cheaply.

They just don't market themselves. They don't believe in themselves. Someone told them that they are outdated and they believe it: Look at the NY Times front page, still trying to look like an actual old newspaper. Still with a banner at the top like the newspaper, with a typeface that was impressive in the era of metal type (what do younger who never saw the metal type output think? My guess: 'that's something old, for old people, before my time.'). Still mostly black-and-white and text (print!), with multimedia a very secondary extra rather than a normal, first-class part of the reports - articles with significant multimedia are special events done (afaik) by a special staff! Even lone bloggers can do better, and the NY Times has far more resources.

When is the last time you saw someone passionate about what is a truly noble, sometimes heroic profession? When was the last time someone was talking about how they were going to make it better than ever? How they were going to change the world? By being swept along by the zeitgeist rather than standing up and defining it and themselves, they are killing another essential institution (what institution has risen to this moment?).

mrhottakes 1 day ago||
Black and white text is very readable, and text-based news is very useful. I don't think the NYT will see huge success trying to reinvent itself as a YouTube channel.
mmooss 1 day ago||
I didn't say to replace all text with video, but to use the best tool for the job. Sometimes an image, a graphic, an animation or loop, or a video communicate much better. Right now they seem mostly stuck in what they did on paper.
glitchc 1 day ago||
I think this trend will only change once institutions like the NYTimes go bankrupt. Younger generations already aren't interested in what they are peddling.
imglorp 1 day ago||
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