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Posted by Brajeshwar 1 day ago

Big AI labs are hiring philosophers(www.economist.com)
https://archive.is/T1FJG
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mohamedkoubaa 1 day ago|
I wonder if they're trying to recruit Yuk Hui
DiscourseFan 1 day ago||
My god if I could be a part of a research team with Yuk Hui...but I don't think a lot of these guys have practical experience.
plastic-enjoyer 1 day ago||
I'd be surprised if Yuk Hui would do this, considering his works and that he is tenured.
smokel 1 day ago||
I don't buy the article's title "Why big AI labs are hiring so many philosophers". They probably just hire one or two, and hundreds of software engineers.

I always found it somewhat annoying that a philosophy study would present itself by stating that graduated philosophers have great job opportunities, implying that studying philosophy would not be a bad choice. It just attracts really smart people, and these tend to find a job more easily. This article seems to make the same kind of mistake.

Also, for all we know these imagined herds of philosophers at AI firms are just labelling pictures of dogs.

gizajob 1 day ago||
When I’ve read about these philosophers it seems often like they’re there to affirm whatever needs to be affirmed, rather than doing the philosopher’s actual role of finding extreme fault in whatever you’re doing and showing how unsound the thinking is and how the task being carried out won’t lead to the results desired etc etc
skeledrew 1 day ago||
Philosophy isn't about finding fault. It's about searching for answers. Sure faults may be found, but it's somewhat meaningless without the proposition of - hopefully better - alternatives.
TitaRusell 1 day ago||
They just hire philosophers because they are good at talking. They need to sell this shit to normal people, remember?

Nobody is getting paid to search for the meaning of life.

skeledrew 1 day ago||
Philosophers help to guide model training so they exhibit certain values, such as being honest and to avoid causing harm. See the Claude constitution[0] for example.

And they can also help with the bigger questions that become more and more important as models become increasingly capable and human-like in behavior. Like if and how sentient a given model might be[1], and as a result how we are ethically obligated to treat/interact with it.

[0] https://www.anthropic.com/constitution

[1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/google-engineer-c...

skeledrew 1 day ago||
> graduated philosophers have great job opportunities

I got a BA in Philosophy, and I had 0 impression that it was such. I did it because it's interesting, and as a stepping stone.

zombot 20 hours ago||
Funny how AI psychosis is getting stranger by the day (grabs a bag of pop corn).
seydor 1 day ago||
philosophy should be the output, not the input
gaiagraphia 1 day ago||
Cool. How many per revenue? And how does it compare?

The so-called economist, is really light on economy.

cmrdporcupine 1 day ago||
Damn, I dropped out of my philosophy undergrad -- 30 years ago last month -- to join the .com insanity. Wrong turn?
nakedrobot2 1 day ago||
is there a link available that allows us to actually read the article?
pramodbiligiri 1 day ago|
https://archive.is/T1FJG
the_af 1 day ago||
What strikes me as funny is this notion of hiring academic philosophers to work in the machinery of startups and businesses, "money (and coffee, presumably) in, philosophy out".

The kind of "philosophy" the article mentions is school-level and common knowledge, hopefully they don't need to hire anyone to learn about e.g. the Socratic method (their own LLMs will happily regurgitate it). Are they truly hoping to "buy philosophy" or have scholars "do philosophy" for their AI systems? Do these entrepreneurs even understand what philosophy is? I guess Silicon Valley really is doomed to rediscover (and misunderstand) the wheel again and again.

In any case, if I were a philosopher, I wouldn't count on this. This kind of jobs are very likely to fall prey to layoffs, and even worse if their "philosophizing" produces conclusions their employers don't like. I still remember when one of the FAANG (Google?) fired their head of AI ethics because they didn't like what she was saying. I think she may have been a bit abrasive, but really, philosophy isn't a product and if they are going to corral how philosophers think or communicate, it's not going to work.

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Edit: from TFA:

> TEN YEARS ago, as the AI revolution was gathering pace, arts and humanities students were told that, if they wanted to make themselves employable, they should “learn to code”. That may have been bad advice

More like made-up advice. Never heard of it. It's true it was often said (way before 10 years ago) that it was hard to find employment in the humanities, but really, who adviced them to "learn to code"? The (dumb) learn to code movement was not targeted specifically at them. Sometimes it seems to me articles get written in bizarro world.

andy99 1 day ago|
At least in my academic experience, there are academics that are uniquely suited to academia (for better or worse) and there are “academics” that know what to say to be the business version of whatever the discipline is. Neither is necessarily better or worse, but they’re very different and not doing the same thing. Presumably it’s the latter that fit in well with bigco philosophy orgs.

I will say though I went to and taught at lower tier schools, if you’re going to Stanford or whatever it might be so competitive that everyone has already been screened to be the second kind and will do just fine working in industry.

the_af 1 day ago||
Interesting! It makes sense, yes, that there are two kinds of philosophers, one more business-savvy than the other. I still think it's wrong-headed to "buy" philosophy in this way, with a business goal, especially of the Silicon Valley kind (because you don't know the answer, and it might very well be that something makes business sense but is "philosophically unsound"). And in any case, it seems like theater to me.

I do picture a modern Machiavelli advising Altman and Amodei ("it's better for AI to be feared than to be loved, so hype away mio signore!"). Not sure it's a nice image though!

cphoover 1 day ago|
We couldn't possibly be in a bubble.
dvh 1 day ago|
Title said philosophers, not taxi drivers.
rvz 1 day ago||
Regardless of the title, the entire point still stands unchallenged.
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