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Posted by htrp 11 hours ago

Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities(www.reuters.com)
302 points | 527 commentspage 4
PeterStuer 2 hours ago|
The whole investment/valuation model of AI companies is based on "winner takes all", aka a monopoly. This nescessitates regulatory capture and lawfare.

Anthropic has been advocating openly for pulling up the drawbridge, ending competition and ending progress.

They will continue to lobby for restricting your access. If the Mythos/Fable restrictions would have come in after their IPO, they would have danced with joy aa this defacto has them achieve their goal after unloading the mountain of debt from the institutional onto the retail investor.

As it stands, they are set up to be aquired by Google, Apple, Amazon, SpaceX or Microsoft or any other 3 letter agency good boy for cheap.

a34729t 1 hour ago||
You know what? We should all get Claude Max subscriptions and max them out hard and post our full conversations on codeberg, as an open training set.
democracy 1 hour ago|
yc pitch?
TheAceOfHearts 1 hour ago||
Someone should setup a plugin or something for Claude Code that makes it easy to log all inputs and outputs for people who are willing and interested in sharing their usage. I don't want Anthropic to be the only company that can train on my usage, I want to share my usage so it can be used for training all new models.

Once you have a system for collecting all logs, you just need a place where they can be submitted. Ideally it would be a freely licensed dataset that is publicly available for everyone.

Has anyone built this yet?

thomasfromcdnjs 35 minutes ago||
Discussed building it with my friends, obviously you might share secrets and other real reasons, but if gangs of corporations are already doing it, I don't see why we shouldn't just share it amongst the crowd too.
TheAceOfHearts 30 minutes ago||
Yeah I could see it being a problem if you're doing work on closed source or repos with sensitive credentials. Since my usage has all been on open source projects I'd be happy to share everything I'm doing if it can help train better models.
slaw 26 minutes ago|||
I don't mind being paid for using LLM, but working for free?
cush 1 hour ago||
Yikes, no thank you
TheAceOfHearts 32 minutes ago||
Do you have a substantive reason why you dislike this? What is the problem if it's opt-in? Nobody is forcing you to share your usage if you don't want to.

I'd prefer it if all the model builders could train on my usage rather than being limited to a single company. That'll hopefully help make all the models better in the long-term.

neves 4 hours ago||
So said the guys who "extracted" knowledge from all pirated books
zakkl 10 hours ago||
It sounds like Anthropic is eagerly trying to show to USG that they are willing to heavily monitor ‘foreign adversaries’ on their platforms.

This combined with no implementation of KYC makes it seem like they want to find a middle ground with Fable where its off of export controls but they promise to prevent China and specific others from using.

ninefathom 6 hours ago||
This seems to me like a stab in the right direction.

Obviously their actions are going to be fiscally motivated at the root, but sussing out how they intend the precise dynamics to play out is more nuanced.

Thinking of this as an effort to woo the defense hawks cuts a very clear path.

verdverm 5 hours ago||
This is not the first time it happened. What have they done to improve the situation? I suspect it more a cat & mouse game, with a lot more cats playing.
Madmallard 16 minutes ago||
Sounds like fair game considering Claude is built upon the theft of creative assets of the entire world and aims to eliminate white collar jobs entirely
_fzslm 4 hours ago||
Anthropic being pissed enough to announce this means that, despite encrypting their reasoning chains, it doesn't matter – distillation lives on.

Sweeeeeeeet.

rw2 2 hours ago||
This is making the case for Anthropic KYC for US citizens. No one would allow their accounts to do this if they were on the hook for it from the US government.
AndreasMoeller 1 hour ago||
Unless you own stock in Anthropic, this is a good thing right?
ycui7 1 hour ago|
in a few more months, when Chinese model gets to Mythos capacity and Fable still locked down. What Anthropic will say? Why can they just admit they are not the only people who know how to train an LLM model.
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